Silver or mushroom??????

Neither

lol

Welsh right? classic flaxen liver splashy welsh look to me.

okkkkkaaaay ---- and could you translate that, that a plain german girl can understand it??? We are used to brown, black, palomino, grey and chestnut, but anything else here about is thought of aloof.

Why flaxen, not silver???? Isn´t it necessary for flaxen to be carried by one parent?

Your filly looks like a liver chestnut with flaxen to me. Liver is a very, very dark shade of chestnut (it looks like raw liver - hence the name).

In the US (where a lot of us live - our European friends put up with our craziness :laugh1 ) we have 3 shades of Chestnut: reg. chestnut (no flaxen), sorrel (with flaxen) and liver (with or without flaxen). The dam of this foal looks sorrel to me - that is why I agree that she was liver with flaxen.

Oh, also, silver does NOT show on redbased coats - so the best way to tell is to look at your fillies ears - if they are tipped in black she is not a liver (red based) but black-based and she may have silver through the dam. Dad doesn't have it as silver cannot hide on black-based horses.

Ok --- Thanks -- that´s great --I have several pics of her where the tip of her ears look black --- but I have a closer look next week, when I see her again life. She´s only 4 months old so her coat is changing at the moment.

I find it necessary to know about the color potential of a horse --- and I find it thoroughly neglected hereabouts!!

Extravagant colors sell better!!! If they have the choice between an eyecatcher with the adjoining movement and character to a more plain colored horse with the same quality most people will buy the "better looking" horse to a higher price. I´m a breeder and I have to sell my babies -- but I want them to have the very best starting conditions!!!!
I can achieve that with breeding my mares to the very best stallions and to have a look on the colorful side of my lovelies.

I add a closer pic of her head --- maybe that´s enough!
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That foal is definitely chestnut IMO. Does not look like anything else in the foal coat, any black based silvers would have been more black-based looking like this one. She is very red.
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Even though some different colors can at first shed out the same, her newborn coat gives it away that shes just a chestnut with flaxen mane and tail,but yes shes a liver chestnut and probably will stay that way.

Liver Chestnut with flaxen as the others have said with also Sabino - you can see white eye scelera which is sometimes a sign of Sabino - nice filly !

Silver ALL THE WAY IMO. I'm thinking a brown base (same as her sire). She's pretty classic of it IMO.

Really? I guess I haven't seen enough brown babies. But I have seen liver in foal to adult coat, and she smacks of it. I think she looks just like Brew in base coat, though his foal coat was much darker than hers. (you can see his foal coat here: [url=http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/angel+i…] in the picture with his dam.
I dunno.... ACC can you show me a few pics of brown foals?

Flaxen Liver...

#1 she is Welsh and silver is still quite rare in Welsh but this color of liver chestnut is common
#2 The foal coat does not appear to show signs of silver but is typical of chesnut

No she wouldn't just be brown alone, she would be brown silver. Silver can and does make the foal coat look very chestnut.

I admit her pedigree probably says she shouldn't be silver, but stranger things have happened. She has all the signs of silver now IMO and I've seen lots of silvers born looking chestnut.

:GTM

Agreed. :lol:

FWIW she reminds me alot of this filly, who I am CONVINCED is not chestnut:
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I would say liver chestnut with flaxen. That is a very typical shade found in welshes.

This is a bay silver half Welsh (half Arab):

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Sorry my brain is now hurting...If this is half welsh and half arab, where did the silver come from? I didn't think either breed in its pure form had silver.. Or is it just welsh that doesn't? :oops:

Arab doesnt. Welsh does.

If Daniha would be flaxen chestnut, wouldn´t her ears be all the same color then the rest? How come the black ear tips?
That´s a pic of Danihas older full sister Dafinah --- as I said - her other two full siblings are dark brown and black --- not one chestnut.
I get better pics of her next week --- and the owner of Dafinah will send me several of her, too.
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I can't tell about that one because of the lighting.

Thanks RMT I knew someone had to have it :toast

As far as we know to date, Silver and Mushroom do not exist in European Welsh Ponies (thank goodness!! God save me from yet another "rare" colour!!!)
This filly is classic Liver + Flaxen.

Just to play devil's advocate here, I have seen a Mushroom Shetland who started out as Chestnut as that.

I have never, ever seen a Mushroom Welsh, but again, due to the mixture of Welsh and Shetland during the war, (that everyone denies ever happened - all our ponies are PUREBRED) it is technically possible, I suppose, and could have been hidden by Grey, but I really do not think so in this case.
She is a very nice filly but she is definitely Chestnut.
There is no genetic distinction between Chestnut, Sorrel and Liver Chestnut, BTW.

Halleluja! I found a gene laboratory in Germany who does silver! As soon as I can get my hands on some of her hair, I let her test. If not Z, then there´s only flaxen left ---- what do you think, should I let her test for A, too? What would you recommend, looking at her pics?

Why not, just to the record, I have sent hair samples to UC Davies in America and got them back quicker than when I sent then to a lab in Devon.

I´m not in a hurry --- but I´ll combine their prices --- there may be a huuuuge difference here (knowing german prices :roll: )

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So you are in Germany Whynot? :? I tried to find an introduction post of yours, but couldn't? Anyway. A very late 'welcome' to the list. :D

Sorry!!!!!!!! Completed my profile immediately --- mea culpa!

Gar kein problem. ;) Just curious. :lol:

I did some pics of Daniha today and checked out some points:
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She shows some kind of Dorsal stripe -- her mom shows countershading and Bend´or spots
Her ears are dark rimmed - hair inside her ears are light (same shade as mane and tail)
Her legs are getting lighter - they have a sallow golden shimmer
She has black hairs in her mane -- not in her tail

I find her utterly fascinating (and drop dead gorgeous). I still think she is silver.

I was just thinking... if she's not silver, I think palomino is possible. I just don't see this as chestnut at all.

I see a sooty flaxen chestnut having a bit of a war between lighter or darker with a cute result :D