Solid PH producing a spotted foal

Hi Zoom. What's a PH? In any case, we know many patterns can hide or be minimal. Got pics? LOL

PH ... Paint Horse.

Here's a picture:
[img]http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh21…]

Pictures of both the mom and dad would be helpful, too.

The foal looks frame to me? Frame can hide in solid looking horses. My best bet is the Paint Horse dam is actually frame positive, which would make sense as long as she didn't test negative.

Dad: http://www.eds-iberians.com/fr_eds_iber…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I actually don't have pics of the Dam (she's not mine).
We can see her (a little ;) ) behind the foal.
She has no white, except her socks.

NICE foal! And yep. Frame! Can be frame and be solid (OK - socks make her not solid!) too! I would guess she might also be splash with that face!

Gosh look at the shoulder he put on that foal.... I can see mom's a little and it sure doesn't look like hers...is it your stallion?

I think the dam has no white on the face.
I asked for pictures. I'll load them as soon as I have some.

I have a foal of the same sire ... and he has the same shoulders ! :)

Either proof that frame can cause funky face white on it's own or that splash can exist in a totally solid horse. Either could easily be true, but in this case I think that face is frame.

Yes, "solid" pintos CAN produce foals with markings. Especially those hiding frame. This is one of the reasons we encourage everyone to TEST all breeding stock for frame. If she'd been bred to a stallion carrying frame because it wasn't known the dam was as well that could have been very sad. :sad

I totally agree with those above. Both Frame and Splash (and even Tobiano, although not in the case of your foal) can be so minimal as to be considered Solid and then throw a wildly marked foal. The Black and White stallion in my avatar is from two parents both registered as Solid (but obviously not).

If only there were a splash test! It would be nice to know for sure that frame can put white on the face with no help.

Just wanted to say that colt is GORGEOUS! I love everything about him. Is he a '10 foal?

Yes he is ! He's born at the end of May or in the beginning of June I think !

Thank you all with your answers !

So ... my solid red dun mare, who I think is sabino, may also be frame and throw colored foals ?

Pictures of my mare: http://www.eds-iberians.com/fr_eds_iber…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[quote="zoom"]So ... my solid red dun mare, who I think is sabino, may also be frame and throw colored foals ?
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It looks that way!! :-D

that's a different mare to the OP foal.

Test for Frame on the second mare.

Yes, it's a different mare.

Wouldn't know with her then, test them both!!

The foal's dam is not mine ;)

The mare has socks, ergo, she is not "solid", she is merely designated so by a blinkered society!
I would vote for Frame and Splash, Splash alone[i] could[/i] cause the funky face markings, but it normally does so when it has something else to "work" with, so Frame + Splash for me.
If your mare is /has Sabino, she is not "solid" either!!! :booty

So, a solid paint horse is a horse with no white at all (no socks, no white on the face) ?

If it is, what about another breed with socks and white marking ?
What is the difference ?

[quote="zoom"]So, a solid paint horse is a horse with no white at all (no socks, no white on the face) ?

If it is, what about another breed with socks and white marking ?
What is the difference ?[/quote]
No difference. ANY White is the produced of SOME Pinto (White producing) gene. Some may cause EITHER minimal or maximum markings. Some may only cause minimal markings.

I'm not sure to clearly understand ... probably because I try to manage with english ;) Sorry if I look to be slow to understand ... I just want to clearly understand everything ;)

Are we talking about white markings on face and legs or pinto horses ?

What I understand is that any horse that have white on the face and legs, even if he's not a pinto or paint horse, may produce a pinto ....

Yes, Zoom, we are indeed!
We now believe that all and any white markings, including "normal" white markings, on any horse, any breed, are caused by one of the Pinto patterns.
This is how Welsh, Arab and TB to name but three traditionally non-Pinto breeds, have "suddenly" sprouted Pinto animals.
Up till recently the Splashed and Sabino and (in TB ) Frames were either knocked on the head or sold without papers.
Nowadays the patterns are, by some studs, being actively encouraged to express, and they are.
This is what has happened here.

Incredible !
So I may produce pure andalusian ... pinto !

It's certainly possible. Especially if you chose horses with a certain phenotype(s) to their markings.

There is already a pure Andalusian that is also registered as a Pinto!

As my mare is ... I guess !!!

LOL

Oh My !

[img]http://www.eds-iberians.com/img/solanna…]

[img]http://www.eds-iberians.com/img/solanna…]

Acc ... do you have any link or picture of that pinto andalusian ?

Here's a pinto Andalusian mare: http://tintagelandalusians.com/mares_au…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I looked on google and found her !!
Incredible !

Looking at my andalusian mare juste above ... is she sabino ?

Your mare appears SPLASH to me! YAY!

Splash ???

Why splash ?

Huge snip and little to no upper face white, flat topped sock. Yeah, I see splash.