Solid PH producing a spotted foal
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PH ... Paint Horse.
Here's a picture:
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Re: Solid PH producing a spotted foal
Dad: http://www.eds-iberians.com/fr_eds_iber…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I actually don't have pics of the Dam (she's not mine).
We can see her (a little ;) ) behind the foal.
She has no white, except her socks.
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NICE foal! And yep. Frame! Can be frame and be solid (OK - socks make her not solid!) too! I would guess she might also be splash with that face!
Gosh look at the shoulder he put on that foal.... I can see mom's a little and it sure doesn't look like hers...is it your stallion?
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Either proof that frame can cause funky face white on it's own or that splash can exist in a totally solid horse. Either could easily be true, but in this case I think that face is frame.
Yes, "solid" pintos CAN produce foals with markings. Especially those hiding frame. This is one of the reasons we encourage everyone to TEST all breeding stock for frame. If she'd been bred to a stallion carrying frame because it wasn't known the dam was as well that could have been very sad. :sad
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I totally agree with those above. Both Frame and Splash (and even Tobiano, although not in the case of your foal) can be so minimal as to be considered Solid and then throw a wildly marked foal. The Black and White stallion in my avatar is from two parents both registered as Solid (but obviously not).
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Yes he is ! He's born at the end of May or in the beginning of June I think !
Thank you all with your answers !
So ... my solid red dun mare, who I think is sabino, may also be frame and throw colored foals ?
Pictures of my mare: http://www.eds-iberians.com/fr_eds_iber…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The mare has socks, ergo, she is not "solid", she is merely designated so by a blinkered society!
I would vote for Frame and Splash, Splash alone[i] could[/i] cause the funky face markings, but it normally does so when it has something else to "work" with, so Frame + Splash for me.
If your mare is /has Sabino, she is not "solid" either!!! :booty
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[quote="zoom"]So, a solid paint horse is a horse with no white at all (no socks, no white on the face) ?
If it is, what about another breed with socks and white marking ?
What is the difference ?[/quote]
No difference. ANY White is the produced of SOME Pinto (White producing) gene. Some may cause EITHER minimal or maximum markings. Some may only cause minimal markings.
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I'm not sure to clearly understand ... probably because I try to manage with english ;) Sorry if I look to be slow to understand ... I just want to clearly understand everything ;)
Are we talking about white markings on face and legs or pinto horses ?
What I understand is that any horse that have white on the face and legs, even if he's not a pinto or paint horse, may produce a pinto ....
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Yes, Zoom, we are indeed!
We now believe that all and any white markings, including "normal" white markings, on any horse, any breed, are caused by one of the Pinto patterns.
This is how Welsh, Arab and TB to name but three traditionally non-Pinto breeds, have "suddenly" sprouted Pinto animals.
Up till recently the Splashed and Sabino and (in TB ) Frames were either knocked on the head or sold without papers.
Nowadays the patterns are, by some studs, being actively encouraged to express, and they are.
This is what has happened here.
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As my mare is ... I guess !!!
LOL
Oh My !
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Acc ... do you have any link or picture of that pinto andalusian ?
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Here's a pinto Andalusian mare: http://tintagelandalusians.com/mares_au…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Solid PH producing a spotted foal
Hi Zoom. What's a PH? In any case, we know many patterns can hide or be minimal. Got pics? LOL