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Silver Dun?

The owner of this QH stallion, well now a gelding, got him tested and he's actually a silver. She says he has dun factor as well. She might have sold him after he was gelded but thought it was interesting as there isn't a lot of silver in the QH's are there? [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs244.snc4/39526_1015010797…]

rodeoratdogs Sat, 10/30/2010 - 15:31

Well there is a foal that looks frame and it says it's out of a solid red roan mare but it's standing next to it's mother and she is pretty obviously frame/sabino *shrugs* He could be splash/sabino and registered as overo because APHA registers every white color pattern other than tobiano "overo" and even somtimes they register minimal tobis overo ~X( Annie is registered overo and she is splash/sabino/rabicano....no frame. She has a pretty large belly spot aside from her socks and facial markings.

accphotography Sat, 10/30/2010 - 19:49

Yeah I forgot about his name... I guess he does have a spot.

Daylene Alford Sun, 10/31/2010 - 16:22

He's a QH Correct? It looks like silver to me as well however, that is way more expression than we typically seen in known silver QHs. To bad he's never been tested.

rodeoratdogs Sun, 10/31/2010 - 16:41

Did you guys notice this? This is the grandsire on the sire's side, the photo is in black & white so you can't say for sure but you can notice the dappling, I wonder if this was the Silver carrier.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/stormys…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ........registered as a palomino, keep in mind if there was any Silver QH in the history of AQHA they would have been registered Palomino, as Silver was not in the AQHA vocabulary.

peruvianpasogal Tue, 11/02/2010 - 19:15

He looks like the sooty palomino that tends to happen in QH's I did a research of his pedigree and he goes back to very common ancesters (meaning if he were silver there should be silvers all over the breed) with lots of cream back there. His foals reflect the cream gene and his color is not typical of silvers in the QH breed.

rodeoratdogs Tue, 11/02/2010 - 19:21

Can you find any photo's of what is typical Silver in the QH breed? I have never seen one and I have been into and owned Paints/QH's since the 70's, so I'm really curious.

peruvianpasogal Tue, 11/02/2010 - 19:39

Whaspy Leo (would love for him to visit my mare ;-)
http://www.coloredhorsesforsale.com/70_…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is my mare Ms Barbarella Image
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Champs Guthrie was brown, so sad they lost him :(
http://www.champsguthrie.skyhawkranch.c…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bar U Champ Binder and kids
http://northernhorse.com/heartland/list…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rodeoratdogs Tue, 11/02/2010 - 20:14

Ok the bay silvers look a little more familiar, I just didn't know that's what they were. So if you were to breed Waspy Leo to your bay/silver mare would you for sure get bay/silver??? :YMSMUG:

rodeoratdogs Tue, 11/02/2010 - 20:37

Huh....I was just looking at the sires pics in the photo gallery and saw how it said he had tested negative for Silver but the colt sure does look bay/silver doesn't he? :-??

rodeoratdogs Tue, 11/02/2010 - 20:57

I went back and looked at his info on allbreeds and it says he is a black/frame with some mystery dilute modifier unique to his line.

accphotography Tue, 11/02/2010 - 21:08

Neither are pinto related IMO. The foal is VERY, VERY likely just baby flaxen.

peruvianpasogal Tue, 11/02/2010 - 21:39

I do believe paint/pinto genes affect tail color wether its splash sabino, rabicano or tobiano it can put white there and a paint/pinto horse with white in its tail makes me think its there from the paint/pinto gene long before I think wow that horse must be a silver.
At the bottom of this article (page 5 and 6) are 2 confirmed silver APHA horses
http://www.painthorsejournal.com/pastis…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Threnody Tue, 11/02/2010 - 22:14

I always thought Gulastra Plume in Arabians is likely caused by skewed expressions of sabino or rabicano.

accphotography Wed, 11/03/2010 - 00:11

If there is pink skin, obviously. However alot of the time there isn't. Sometimes there are Thoroughbreds with little to no white and these gray/silver tails. No sign of rabicano, no sabino roaning, not white, just silvery hair in the tail.

Threnody Wed, 11/03/2010 - 00:19

I would think that since mixed white patterns like rabicano don't normally effect the skin that this might still be a possibility in certain cases.

The silvery hairs are interesting.

rodeoratdogs Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:00

[quote="peruvianpasogal"]I do believe paint/pinto genes affect tail color wether its splash sabino, rabicano or tobiano it can put white there and a paint/pinto horse with white in its tail makes me think its there from the paint/pinto gene long before I think wow that horse must be a silver.
At the bottom of this article (page 5 and 6) are 2 confirmed silver APHA horses
http://www.painthorsejournal.com/pastis…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

This was a interesting article, thanks for posting it. I need to start getting the PHJ again. I stopped because I was running our of room to put all the magazines!

peruvianpasogal Wed, 11/03/2010 - 18:10

[quote="Threnody"]I would think that since mixed white patterns like rabicano don't normally effect the skin that this might still be a possibility in certain cases.

The silvery hairs are interesting.[/quote]
I have a yearling filly that this year shed out displaying rabicano in her flanks and the sknuk tail and she was born without a drop of white on her I will be watching her to see how light her tail gets.