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[color=#8000BF][b]The foal belongs to a friend in a Yahoo horse group. Dam is palomino & sire is palomino. She says she believe the foal to be perlino. She said her eyes are yellow colored so I'm assuming amber?? Y'alls thoughts??[/b][/color] [color=#8000BF][b]Newborn[/b][/color] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/DS…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/DS…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/DS…] [color=#8000BF][b]Couple days old[/b][/color] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/DS…] [img]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb252/KountryGirlKreationz/Horses/DS…]

Daylene Alford Wed, 03/25/2009 - 20:51

Foal looks palomino to me. I'm not seeing the really pink skin I would expect from a double cream. Also, any double cream foal will have very blue eyes.

CMhorses Wed, 03/25/2009 - 21:06

Definately looks palomino. Also I believe to get a perlino you would have to have a black based parent and a parent that carried bay.

RiddleMeThis Wed, 03/25/2009 - 22:14

I agree palomino. Even if she was a double dilute she could only be cremello if both parents are palomino.

PamelaTX Wed, 03/25/2009 - 22:15

[quote="CMhorses"]Definately looks palomino. Also I believe to get a perlino you would have to have a black based parent and a parent that carried bay.[/quote]
[color=#8000BF]
[b]Thats what I thought & thats what I told her.
But she said everything her daughter looked up said Perlino.
[/b][/color] :shock:

PamelaTX Wed, 03/25/2009 - 23:08

[quote="accphotography"]Yellow eyes and darkening skin say perlino? :?[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]But isn't that impossible from 2 palominos??[/b][/color]

RiddleMeThis Wed, 03/25/2009 - 23:14

[quote="PamelaTX"][quote="accphotography"]Yellow eyes and darkening skin say perlino? :?[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]But isn't that impossible from 2 palominos??[/b][/color][/quote]
Yes

accphotography Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:06

No. My point was that yellow eyes and darkening skin are the exact opposite of what a perlino would have. I don't know how their research brought them to perlino.

Fledgesflight Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:15

Are they sure it has amber eyes? Is very young to have that colour yet.

I agree on Palomino.

PamelaTX Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:34

[quote="Fledgesflight"]Are they sure it has amber eyes? Is very young to have that colour yet.

I agree on Palomino.[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]Well no I'm not sure...she said yellow, I was assuming she meant amber.

I'm gonna ask for more pics.[/b][/color]

PamelaTX Thu, 03/26/2009 - 01:35

[quote="accphotography"]No. My point was that yellow eyes and darkening skin are the exact opposite of what a perlino would have. I don't know how their research brought them to perlino.[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]Ahhhh gotcha!![/b][/color] ;)

Fledgesflight Thu, 03/26/2009 - 03:09

Yellow/ amber...still very young to have those coloured eyes.

Can't wait to hear back:)

lipigirl Thu, 03/26/2009 - 04:01

The only thing to point out is that on a double dilute socks are VERY difficult to see, this one's socks are easy to see and it's a Palamino. :flower

critterkeeper Thu, 03/26/2009 - 08:05

I agree with the other ladies - a definite pali, imho. If it were a double dilute the eyes would be even lighter than this color of [color=#40BFFF]blue [/color](I love dd blues btw). I own a cremello that was the result of a pali to pali breeding and if he wasn't dirty or wet from a bath, you'd never be able to see his white points (socks, star, etc.).

RiddleMeThis Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:59

[quote="lipigirl"]The only thing to point out is that on a double dilute socks are VERY difficult to see, this one's socks are easy to see and it's a Palamino. :flower[/quote]

Not always. You can see these guys markings quote easily

Cremello (link because picture is big)
http://www.palominowarmbloods.com/image…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoky Cream
[img]http://www.thebrandstud.ca/stallions/th…]

Paintlover Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:44

It really doesn't matter what the daughter is reading genetically perlino would be impossible. :roll: It would be one thing to suspect perlino when it is at least a possibility but when there is none whatsoever??? :? The foal really isn't light at all IMO. Even darker then the Palomino mare.

CMhorses Fri, 03/27/2009 - 20:46

Some people don't know the difference between a perlino and a cremello, I know I didn't before I came to this site.(just like how I used to think Leo, a black silver, was a grullo :oops: , was just from not ever really knowing what the differences was or the defining characteristics). It's possible they just assumed that breeding two creams would give them a double dilute of some type.

NZ Appaloosas Sat, 03/28/2009 - 03:50

And unfortunately, other people say that there is no difference because their chose registry doesn't offer (or didn't, as I believe the registries are starting to wake up) those colour choices. The "argument" I had on one forum with someone stating there was no difference between perlino and smokey creme will forever stay in my brain...

Diane

Jenks Sat, 03/28/2009 - 07:24

Phenotypically, they look the same (perlino and double smokey?), I'm sure that's what they were saying maybe? Genotype is obviously different.

RiddleMeThis Sat, 03/28/2009 - 08:43

[quote="Jenks"]Phenotypically, they look the same (perlino and double smokey?), I'm sure that's what they were saying maybe? Genotype is obviously different.[/quote]Nope. They werent. At least not the arguement I was in (which I believe was a different one than NZ.) Said there was no difference between an E? A? CRCR and and E? aa CRCR. And that they were both perlino. Even clarified and asked if black or bay were different and was told yes they were, but that there was no difference between smoky cream and perlino.

Well I don't know how they could argue that they are the same when you typed it right out!? Stubborn know-it-alls! A? and aa are the same? YOU: :BH

lipigirl Sat, 03/28/2009 - 15:30

Hey Riddle...VERY nice examples of Smokey Cream and Cremello - lovely horses !

NZ Appaloosas Sun, 03/29/2009 - 05:31

[quote="RiddleMeThis"][quote="Jenks"]Phenotypically, they look the same (perlino and double smokey?), I'm sure that's what they were saying maybe? Genotype is obviously different.[/quote]Nope. They werent. At least not the arguement I was in (which I believe was a different one than NZ.) Said there was no difference between an E? A? CRCR and and E? aa CRCR. And that they were both perlino. Even clarified and asked if black or bay were different and was told yes they were, but that there was no difference between smoky cream and perlino.[/quote]

Hehehe, that was a hard case, wasn't it???? :laugh1

Diane

Jenks Sun, 03/29/2009 - 06:38

[quote="Jenks"]Phenotypically, they look the same (perlino and double smokey?), I'm sure that's what they were saying maybe? Genotype is obviously different.[/quote]Nope. They werent. At least not the arguement I was in (which I believe was a different one than NZ.) Said there was no difference between an E? A? CRCR and and E? aa CRCR. And that they were both perlino. Even clarified and asked if black or bay were different and was told yes they were, but that there was no difference between smoky cream and perlino.

Well I don't know how they could argue that they are the same when you typed it right out!? Stubborn know-it-alls! A? and aa are the same? YOU: :BH

RiddleMeThis Sun, 03/29/2009 - 07:45

[quote="Jenks"
Well I don't know how they could argue that they are the same when you typed it right out!? Stubborn know-it-alls! A? and aa are the same? YOU: :BH[/quote]
LOL because the registries dont separate them so they are the same. :roll: Even said what if we ignore the registries? and they still said they were the same.