What is this?

black based dun goin grey?? very strange, lol

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a black varnish appy dun that is also greying, to me its nose looks mottled and the way the color is sticking on the legs seems like its a clue to something. If thats completely off I'll stick with a grullo greying.

I see appaloosa.

ACC do you know what color that horse is?

No. No one does. All we know is that she is 5, her sire is a bay dun Quarter Horse and her dam is an Appaloosa (with one AQHA parent) and is "all white". The horse in question is said to have a mottled nose and is "white all over".

I think I'll go with varnish appy dun,but I'm still debating on the grey.

Just not sure why the stripe would still be so clear on a varnish. Can they varnish out this much by 5? Why no color loading?

Those were the reasons I was thinking she was grey .

Well that would take the dorsal with it too (at least eventually). And that gray/white at 5?

She's just tough.

[color=#8000BF][b]I agree with CM, but maybe not gray...could just all be the varnish.
Can they test her? Like for black, dun, & any of the "appyness."[/b][/color] :laugh1

My only thinking was that possibly varnish+grey could make her turn white even faster than either alone. Kinda similar to silver+grey going grey fast. The dorsal still throws me for a loop though.
Edited to add, you can test for dun and black but there are no tests for any appy that I know of.

[color=#8000BF][b]Well do we know anything about the dam?
Any possibility for GRAY??[/b][/color]

Don't know. We don't know her pedigree, just that she's half App, half QH and "all white". It's possible I suppose.

I couldn't find any pictures of any other duns that greyed or varnish appys or any appys that greyed that looked similar.

[quote="CMhorses"]I couldn't find any pictures of any other duns that greyed or varnish appys or any appys that greyed that looked similar.[/quote]

[color=#8000BF][b]My Lacey's sire is grullo/roan/gray...he NO longer has a dorsal.[/b][/color]
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This one you can see there is no dorsal anymore.[/b][/color]
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AND, he still has a black mane & tail and legs.

[color=#8000BF][b]Well they ARE goin gray...just at a slow process.
His back legs are a lot lighter than the front, but you can see a lot of the gray in the front ones.
I'm hopin the owner post some pics of him since he's shed.
Most gray duns lose the dorsal...atleast the ones I've seen thus far.[/b][/color]

Hrm only thing I could see now is maybe the original horse is silver or had a white mane/tail from the appy.

Have personal experience of two duns going grey...the dorsal is the last to go, but it is gone by around three/four years old...any idea how old the horse is??
My feeling is Appy is in the mix, maybe varnish/Frosting??
There is evidence of Dun, obviously, although if the horse were going Grey it could just be colour concentrating on the dorsal line...I do not think that is what this is but am just throwing that out there.

She's great - love the fact the dorsal is left - I think max varnish and it's just been choosey where is varnishes out ! :D

She's a 5yo RF.

I've seen a bay appy that actually grew a dorsal and shoulder bars as he varnished so maybe the combination of that AND the dun is holding it there?
Also my neighbors stud is nearly that white but I dont know how old he is and his mane and tail are a mixed color and he has scattered spots and black knees. Dang now I'm thinking of it I should have got a picture of him for the metalic sheen thread. He turned positively white silver this summer.

[quote="Monsterpony"]I see appaloosa.[/quote]

I do too, but I'm not gonna rule out grey on top...

Diane

[quote="accphotography"]Well that would take the dorsal with it too (at least eventually). And that gray/white at 5?

She's just tough.[/quote]

A lawyer I know has a "white" horse--born pitch black out of a grey mare by a grey stallion. Ten days old, foal was pure white. So yeah, some horses can grey out very quickly, BUT, having said that, if she was a large blanket pattern, the grey effect would just be melding into the white blanket, which could explain the dorsal line being still so visibible.

Diane

Appaloosas with grey tend to turn grey very quickly. My first foal was one. She was born all black, and by the time she was weaned she was mostly white with black mane & tail, lower legs, and black spots on her hips. It was really quite pretty! Too bad she didn't stay that color. By the time she was five she was all white, and her spots were grey. The spots eventually disappeared as well.

There's a grey dun Quarter Horse stallion locally that still has a faint dorsal stripe. I don't know how old he is, but he's old enough to have some babies on the ground.

So yeah, I think she's a dun Appaloosa with grey. The "all white" dam is most likely grey. She's obviously not a few-spot, and it's unlikely that she'd varnish out to the point of looking all white. Homozygous roans (which she isn't) are the ones that tend to roan out the most, but they still retain varnish marks and (usually) dark areas on the points.

Don't forget Diane...if there is silver in the mix they can even be born white - so maybe there was grey and silver ?

I would think silver to be very unlikely. Isn't it rare in QH's and really rare in appys? According to silverequine.com theres only one silver appy and it was by Champs Guthrie.

Yup there is only one silver ApHC horse that is known. I don't know how many silver AQHAs there are but they only hail from two lines so it's pretty rare.

[quote="lipigirl"]Don't forget Diane...if there is silver in the mix they can even be born white - so maybe there was grey and silver ?[/quote]

What ACC said. :laugh1 Seriously, tho', Khephri (spelling?) is the only silver in appaloosa breeding that I know about, and I would have thought it might have been noticed before now, if there were more running around.

Diane

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"]I would have thought it might have been noticed before now, if there were more running around.[/quote]
Ya know, Im not sure it would. Especially with LP messing with the colors so much I think it would hide VERY easily.

I mean app mare pops out a blanket app that sheds off choclately and starts getting a flaxen type mane, and you have a breeder who says "flaxen chestnut" because thats what it looks like, when its really silver bay.

I think LP and silver together could muddy things up enough that a breeder who didnt know what it was wouldnt notice.