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Spin off-Which of these horses are silver? (lots of pictures

RiddleMeThis Tue, 09/08/2009 - 13:56

Ok everyone, sorry it took so long to get back to this. I wanted to let everyone who wanted get a chance to play, and after a week or so I would assume everyone has.

All have either been tested or ruled out by well known bloodlines.

A. Silver
B. Silver
C. Not Silver
D. Not Silver
E. Silver
F. Silver
G. Silver
H. Silver
I. Not Silver
J. Not Silver
K. Silver
L. Silver
M. Silver
N. Not Silver
O. Silver

RiddleMeThis Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:29

A and B are both bay silvers
C is a liver chestnut
D is a black
E is a bay silver
F is a smokey black silver
G is a bay silver (see other picture at bottom)
H is a bay silver
I is a liver chestnut
J is a palomino (though admittedly he could be carrying silver)
K is a bay silver
L is a black silver
M is a buckskin silver
N is a black arabian.(see note at the bottom)
O is a black silver

This picture shows Gs color a bit better
[img]http://www.upsondownsmorgans.com/images…]

N has been tested for every modifier and has tested negative for everything. The only dilution that he may not have been tested for is champagne. He is on the "New Dilutions" website under "light black".

RiddleMeThis Wed, 09/09/2009 - 15:26

[quote="lipigirl"]Do you know if N has the mottled pinky skin of a Champagne because he could very well be a Classic Champagne (Black Champagne)...or anymore piccies ??/[/quote]
He is purebred Arab so he SHOULDNT be champagne. He is also parentage verified, and neither of his parents look champagne. If he is champagne hes a new mutation of it.

Here are some more pictures of him. He has no mottling on his face, and odd mottling on his genitals, and yellow eyes.
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]

This filly is by the same sire as N (Ali Zeus) and her dam is a full sibling to his dam.
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]
[img]http://www.newdilutions.com/light_black…]

Some older photos
[img]http://www.theoriginalseries.com/09-200…]
[img]http://www.theoriginalseries.com/2006_0…]

Her dam, with her
[img]http://www.theoriginalseries.com/mireek…]

Their sire
[img]http://www.theoriginalseries.com/ahmars…]

accphotography Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:43

Well he would be the darkest and the least mottled champagne I've ever seen. However since he IS parentage verified it is most likely a new mutation and thus not likely to follow the same rules as the original champagne.

He couldn't be a sable as he's agouti negative.

lipigirl Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:52

[quote="accphotography"]Well he would be the darkest and the least mottled champagne I've ever seen. However since he IS parentage verified it is most likely a new mutation and thus not likely to follow the same rules as the original champagne.

He couldn't be a sable as he's agouti negative.[/quote]

Sorry I didn't note his agouti status - but yes he does look very champers and not arab !!....all very strange !!

accphotography Thu, 09/10/2009 - 12:26

[quote="admin"]Going by pictures of the sire and dam its defiantly NOT champagne. Best guess would be a recessive mutation along the lines of pearl as to date I don't believe its appeared in any of his offspring.[/quote]

Well if it were a new mutation (which being pure Arab it would HAVE to be) his sire and dam wouldn't have to have it. He does have at least one foal like him and at least one or two siblings VERY similar. If it were JUST him I'd write it off (despite it being VERY strange and very obvious).