Ok, not MY foal. lol

I agree the foal looks more bay than buck, but I suppose it *could* happen. I know I've seen palomino foals that looked RED and did NOT look pally. As for the dun markings, they look like countershading, to me; [i]the markings just aren't very deep, dark and defined[/i] ... which suggests counter-shading and which is also *very* common in non-dun foals. In addition, I think the leg stripes you are seeing are probably 'watermarks' from the hair curling/waving from the amniotic fluid.

I agree with Heidi but the Sire [i]could[/i] still be a dun carrier as it's hard to often see on the DDs

[quote="Heidi"]I agree the foal looks more bay than buck, but I suppose it *could* happen. I know I've seen palomino foals that looked RED and did NOT look pally. As for the dun markings, they look like countershading, to me; [i]the markings just aren't very deep, dark and defined[/i] ... which suggests counter-shading and which is also *very* common in non-dun foals. In addition, I think the leg stripes you are seeing are probably 'watermarks' from the hair curling/waving from the amniotic fluid.[/quote]

Haha, yea, I breed friesians and andys and know of watermarks. xD I'm referring to the front right knee in that last picture. Could just be off shading though.

OT.. i just realized a few days ago my dads neighbor has a barn FULL of fresians.. i am sooo observant lol :lol: " what is up with all the black horses ?" lol

I don't think dun. But then again, I really didn't think cream either until I read about the sire. This was why I recommended getting little Ditto tested, because some foals just don't show the cream that well. I sure would like to know for certain the sire really is a DD though.

Very cute foal. I reckon it's Bay.

[quote="TheSwingHorse"]I'm referring to the front right knee in that last picture. Could just be off shading though.[/quote]

I had to go back and look, I *really* had to look hard, but I think I see what you mean, though they look like very faint gray shadows ... I would still have to say countershading: if it *were* dun, the markings would be unmistakable.
[img]http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt3/…]

Hmm..I just read about the sire being Cremello. I don't know now, except that it still looks exceptionally Bay!

Do you have a picture of the sire?

I'm very curious if he is TRULY cremello, or just being CALLED cremello like Guns and White Roses was.

I'm waiting for a reply... hopefully soon! haha

[edit]: She replied. Here is the sire: http://remaanilodge.webs.com/stallionsa…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The first stallion on the page.
Pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jenamir…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More photos: http://remaanilodge.webs.com/photosofmo…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Could only find one foal of his on the site: http://remaanilodge.webs.com/news.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well I guess the foal IS a buckskin. Hmph.

Or that stallion is not the sire of the foal......
It happens!

Here is another post by her:

http://community.livejournal.com/horse_…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, if link doesn't work:
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She mentioned the "buckskin duo" so I'm not sure if the horse in the other pasture is the one she is referring to or not. The large gelding is supposedly a friesian warmblood.

He looks sooooo bay.

That is one adorable foal! Just wow! And naughty! :D
A-Freaking-adorable!
It is much darker then Ditz, but I'd say it's shed out a dark buckskin... Or would it be brown=creme?

Do we have a term for brown=creme? :D

[quote="Andrea"]That is one adorable foal! Just wow! And naughty! :D
A-Freaking-adorable!
It is much darker then Ditz, but I'd say it's shed out a dark buckskin... Or would it be brown=creme?

Do we have a term for brown=creme? :D[/quote]
I believe its being called smoky brown

Looks a bit more Buckskin in these, but mostly the first photo.

Couple more from yesterday I believe:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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http://community.livejournal.com/horse_…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOL! Back to looking Bay!

In all seriousness though, I think it'll probably end up a nice medium shade of Buckskin...

Reminds me of this one...
http://www.kcsponies.com/abby.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder if she's got a good picture of the foal's eyes?

Will this foal be Buckskin or [i]Smokey Black[/i]? [size=85]It looked too dark, to me, and the 'buckskin-looking' pics looked like dark-hair sun-fade.[/size]

I *loved* this photo of mare/foal:
[img]http://www.kcsponies.com/abbymisty04-25…]

I also thought smokey black as soon as I saw that foal. Everyone claims my colt will be smokey black and he's gone through the exact same colors so far.

foal looks bucky to me with those lighter coloured legs, smokey blacks should be more black/smokey grey coloured at birth usually.
Foal may be a smokey brown? do they have the bay base look to them like this foal?

The Abby foal posted above DOES look cream to me. The OP doesn't.

No, from what I've seen and heard many smokey brown foals don't look cream as a foal... and sometimes don't even look cream as an adult. That probably makes the most sense.

I don't see smokey black at all.

I agree^ That one looks Cream whereas the op doesn't really.

Missmagnus had a Smokey Brown (filly) foal- From memory it was a buff colour at birth, but later shed to the norm of Brown colouring.

The Abbi foal is a ringer for my section B Buckskin, although a lot darker in colour, it is the same "type"!!
The bay foal looks like a bay foal, the one on this page, I mean.
I have seen quite a few visual Smoky Blacks now and none looked like a bay, at any stage, although I have to admit I have not seen that many from foal right through to adult, to see what "stages" they went through, could be black, of course, but I doubt Smoky Black......

If anybody's interested, here's my colt that everyone claims will be smokey black, through his color changes so far:
A few hours old:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
2 days old:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
6 days old:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
20 days old:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
24 days old:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
5 weeks:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
6 1/2 weeks:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
2 months:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
3 months:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
3 1/2 months (after clipping):
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
4 months:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]
6 months:
[img]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147…]

Your colt has that mousy color and never really looked bay in any of those stages to me.

I don't think he ever looked bay either, but I did have a few people tell me they thought he'd be bay.

From foal to 6mo ... he looked *just* like my black colt from a Grulla/Palomino cross. I never had him color tested (1988) but while he could have carried cream and had no agouti ... he def missed out on dun. *pout*
I had thought for sure I'd get something interesting (color-wise) out of a black dun and pally cross, but I didn't. :roll: :lol: