dun dun da dun...

Oh, ok. So it's not the ponies that aren't registerable, it's the color.
That silver filly that doesn't look Welsh would be registerable, just not as silver, right?
WPCSA doesn't recognize Silver either. I think she was registered as chestnut even though the owner showed the DNA that she was black with silver.

The OP filly would be registerable as... well... dun :D

No, not quite.
The ponies bred in America are not registrable in Wales (well, a lot of them are not, anyway.)
Once you stop registering with the Parent Society the ponies cannot go back into the book, both parents must be fully registered with the Parent society.
I am pretty sure the animal that looked like a Bog Pony was American???
Not that there are not quite a few awful looking Welsh Ponies over here, too, just that they would not get registered as there are so many they really do not need to be.....

LOL @ bog pony! Yes, she was American. But there is a silver stallion in the UK so there is silver in Welsh over there too.

The part of your statement that said you were suspect when a parent registry wouldn't register ponies makes it sound like those ponies were not eligible because of their color. Knowing US ponies can't/don't get registered in the UK registry means you don't trust any US pony as "purebred"? It's kind of a blanket statement, don't you think?

I think I'm sluring as I type! I think I need another margarita! :lol:

Yes, but it is not colour.
It has nothing to do with colour.
I have no problem with anyone, any country, deciding to breed their own ponies (I absolutely adore AmShetlands but you [i]know[/i] I think they should be called American Ponies, not Shetlands. Same with Welsh, once the secs were crossed and the heights changed they became a different pony. It's the same with any breed, Haflingers, Friesans etc.
You may be able to get a Chestnut Friesan registered in the states but you would have one hell of a fight in the Parent Studbook, and rightly so.
Otherwise, what is the point of having any breed type?
So unless a Welsh Pony bred in the States has two registered in the Parent studbook , parents, it would not, irrespective of colour, be accepted in that studbook.
I am not sure how many of the American or even Australian Welsh Societies kept up UK registration.
That is what it hinges on, not colour.
I am not sure what has happened about the supposed Silver UK pony, I am guessing the Society will stick it's head firmly up it's backside on that one, for a while, at least!! :booty

I think that silver has always been there in the Welsh Breed --- it was just called liver chestnut with flaxen mane ....... some at least. Until the possibility of DNA-tests came up you had to take what was told ..... now you can show proof.
Maybe if there would be the chance of making a DNA of Downland Chevalier who was liver with fair mane and tail -- he may have been a silver, too ..... -- there are lots of liver chestnuts with fair mane and tail descended from him .... but that may be flaxen ... or maybe not.

Don´t kill me rabbit :hammer --- I´m just speculating :P

But as to the mixing with other breeds --- that may generate beautiful foals, but not an original breed anymore -- you can call them Shetland Partbreds or Welsh Partbreds or you even can generate a new breed, but you can´t fall back on the original names, hence you can open all the studbook wide and invite every crossover in. That would negate the whole system

There is no such thing as a Purebred anything, there are only cats, dogs, horses etc.
At the end of the day everything else is man generated.
How about that?
I am happier to breed within specifics for a certain breed, thus, to me a Pinto Welsh is pretty but not Welsh as it is not bred to the specifics of the breed, BUT there is a lot more to the breed than colour, and I think conformation and type is far more important than colour.
Even so, I find all these new colours that "suddenly" turn up really amazing.
No, DC and Twyford Grenadier et al were not Silver, some of us have always been able to tell the difference, and the Welsh with grey manes and tails aren't Silver, either, they are Chestnut with grey manes and tails.
I'm still wondering what the society is going to do about the silver that has just appeared...sorry, can't remember his name!!
Whynot, during the War all Native breeds except Exmoor were banned from breeding and stallions supposed to be castrated or destroyed.
To save the breeds the Dartmoors, Welsh, Shetlands and New Forest people turned their ponies out to fend for themselves.
After the War the ponies were brought in and sorted out according to colour, height and type.
In the Welsh and Shetland Societies Foundation Stock status was given to animals of unknown of single parentage breeding, thus, at this time, there could easily have been mixing of the breeds.
I am pretty sure that Dartmoor and New Forest were OK as they are isolated, although there was a rash of Splash NF ponies that is still there. they were denied registration, but have now to be registered even if Splashed on the body.
Dartmoors were pretty much OK as the farmers have always fed their cattle out there and the ponies just muck in, as it were, although there are also, now, these flipping rubbish Pinto ponies that no-one wants that are running around on Dartmoor, but that is another story.
Truth be told, if Silver were going to arrive "legally" it would have arrived during the War, although why it has only just surfaced is a mystery!

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]
Truth be told, if Silver were going to arrive "legally" it would have arrived during the War, although why it has only just surfaced is a mystery![/quote]Because silver can hide. A. It doesn't show on red bases (where it first showed up in welsh) B. even on black bases it can be incredibly minimal as to completely be missed and then finally C. people who cant tell the difference calling them chestnuts.

And d: grays or any other color it might be somewhat indistinguishable on (such as buckskin).

Strangely enough I was already aware of this.
I have seen a lot, and I do mean a LOT, of Welsh ponies and I have seen some very (and I do mean [i]very[/i] :rofl ) strange colours, colours I wish I had photographed.
I saw a stallion (sec C) in a market that could only be described as "Lavender Palomino"....he was obviously palomino, but the sooty had dappled him out all over like a rocking horse, and, well, he was just amazing!
But I have never seen anything that looked like Silver, and I knew a Silver mare when I was a child, although we had no word for her colour, so I think I should have recognised it.

As well ---- I would have been interested in seeing a Downland Chevalier-DNA test for Z or flaxen --- for Solway Master Bronze, too.
I would be interested in Tests for some Cobs .......
If you look back in the pedigrees the fair mane and tail usually came up one or two generations after the incross of cob blood in the Welsh.

Does anyone have proof of a registered Welsh D with silver?????