dun dun da dun...

I would say buckskin, no dun. But it IS possible.

I vote gorgeous!!! Who is this little one?

Does creme tend to mess with the dorsal clarity? And what is it you all were talking about red dorsals vs. black dorsals?

[quote="Krickette"]I vote gorgeous!!! Who is this little one?[/quote]

Shhhh.... it's a secret.... :P

Buckskin with countershading. Cream can bump up a dorsal appearance.

I don't think countershading includes a bicolored tail???? :? I also see leg-stripes, my vote is red dun with pangare (inside of legs)! :flower Cute foal!

I say no Dun, though the leg pic has me wondering whether or not she's Grey.

Countershading will [i]definitely[/i] divide the tail. Not to mention, I don't really think that's a divide, I think it's just buckskin frosting outside of the normal tail color (black).

Leg bars often show on non dun foals so they don't push me towards dun any more.

Cream CAN dilute a dorsal so it is certainly possible.

We were saying that technically, a bay dun's or dunskin's dorsal should be a bay (and thus reddish) color. However I've seen quite a few that are so dark you'd wonder. I think those may be sooty (hidden by dun).

Well, test results are in... D/N and Creme...
The owner shaved her back and you can see the dorsal more, but not vibrant like most I've seen.
She's a Section A out of Walgarth Ismirelda so dun was certainly possible. She has that peachy color that I see with a lot of duns, but the lack of vibrant dorsal had/has me concerned.
At any rate she is darling... :love

Well I guess there's your proof cream messes with dun. :rofl

[quote="Andrea"]Well, test results are in... D/N and Creme...
The owner shaved her back and you can see the dorsal more, but not vibrant like most I've seen.
She's a Section A out of Walgarth Ismirelda so dun was certainly possible. She has that peachy color that I see with a lot of duns, but the lack of vibrant dorsal had/has me concerned.
At any rate she is darling... :love[/quote]

I am not suprised those legs barrs are very striking !

So...what happened to "no Dun in Welsh" or did that one go out the window as they crossed the pond too?

Where it came from... Who knows... Is it there now? Yes. Whether you agree with it or not, there are registered dun ponies.
Silver was not supposed to be there either. Where is the Forlan Stud?
You've said yourself that during the war the ponies were left to fend for themselves. So while that may not be where dun came from, you can't say the ponies running at that time were only exposed to other Welsh. So why does the fault always seem to lay "across the pond"?

Because we are lesser moungrels and lack so much as a society. :roll:

:rofl
I knew there was a reason everyone hates us!

:rofl :flower :rofl When I read that she was a Sec. A and tested D/N, I just knew Rabbit would blame us (and yes that is us in the US - :rofl ) :bounce I don't know if I should say blame or CREDIT us with broadening the Welsh's color scheme of possibilities. :bounce :toast

I'm ignoring all that :laugh1
The thing that puzzles me about this, and yes, I am the one who pointed out a number of things could have happened during the War....they don't appear to have done so.
The War was sixty years ago, people, the Dun and the Silver have only just, like yesterday, arrived.
And not here, either!!
One of those Silver "welsh" that was posted does not even look like a Welsh, let alone a good one, it just looks like a pony!
Either way, I guess it is not going to affect me as these ponies are not eligible for registration in the WP&CSS.
As soon as the original society refuses to accept the breeding I become suspicious.

I have seen pictures of Welsh ponies in the UK that I thought were dun. It was on the old forum. Wish I could remember where. ACC do you remember?

Sorry, I thought the Forlan Stud was in the UK. :?:

Why aren't the ponies eligible for registration? Because they are US bred or because they have dun and silver?

[quote="Andrea"]Sorry, I thought the Forlan Stud was in the UK. :?:

Why aren't the ponies eligible for registration? Because they are US bred or because they have dun and silver?[/quote]
Forlan stud is in the UK http://www.forlanstud.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, is that a different place then were Rabbit lives?

Admin, I do remember the ponies, btu don't remember where I saw them. :(

[quote="Andrea"]So, is that a different place then were Rabbit lives?[/quote]

Not as far as I know. :lol:

Hmm. OK. Probably still our fault! :lol:
Fronbach Hello Charlie is a babe! I don't care where the silver came from!

Still would like to know why they are not eligible for registration...

I can haz? :love :love :love

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I'm ignoring all that :laugh1
The thing that puzzles me about this, and yes, I am the one who pointed out a number of things could have happened during the War....they don't appear to have done so.
The War was sixty years ago, people, the Dun and the Silver have only just, like yesterday, arrived.
And not here, either!!
One of those Silver "welsh" that was posted does not even look like a Welsh, let alone a good one, it just looks like a pony!
Either way, I guess it is not going to affect me as these ponies are not eligible for registration in the WP&CSS.
As soon as the original society refuses to accept the breeding I become suspicious.[/quote]

Conformational qualities aside, could it not just be a case, for the past 60 years, of breeders culling those dun/silver/unacceptable coloured Welshies, or not seeing them under grey? Look at ApHC prior to solids being allowed into the registry (the original 'breeding stock' papers, not the CPO program)--those horses were either quietly disposed of or sold off as grade horses, with no mention of breeding. Why wouldn't the same thing be true of UK Welsh breeders? Especially since you say that these horses are not eligible for registration...

Diane

Not to mention not seeing silver under red and not seeing dun under pally or buckskin.

You would be astounded by the number of creme-gened "duns" at A & P shows here... :rofl

Diane

As far as I am aware, the WP&CS registers ALL buckskins as Dun, and the base colour of Greys is not noted, so, yes, it is possible that the Dun has lurked under Grey for some time, in the way that Cream is supposed to have lurked in Andalusians.
Anything is possible!

But why are they not eligible for registration? I thought they only disqualified the pintos?

I'm sorry, I think we are at cross purposes here...the ponies bred in the States are not normally eligible for registration in the WP&CSS, the "silvers" I am not sure would be registered as Silver....the Welsh are a bit stick in the mud!
The Pinto expression ponies retain their registration, but have to go in a side register and cannot show.