buckskin/dun?

I am no expert, but I think I see a shoulder bar too.... Looks dun to me, but they do say that often buckskins have the dorsal stripe. I don't know about the leg and shoulder bars though.

He has a really pretty head. How old is he? Is there dun in his pedigree?

I am pretty sure this one is dun but whether or not her also carries cream and makes him a Dunskin you can't tell without test him - have you got any more pics - love his head too?

A buckskin *can* be dun, but not all buckskins are dun. I think your boy is a dun buckskin.

I see buckskin more than dun, but I guess still could be a dunskin??

I am 100% certain he has cream. I am relatively sure it's not dun, but countershading.

Oh I'm glad you said that, I was thinking where's the dun!!

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I see a distinct and defined dorsal stripe and some leg barring, I'd say dun or dunskin.

Why no Dun ACC? Am I seeing things?

I dont think dun, looks like countershading to me. my bucky colt even had those non distinct leg marks too. a dun would be a lot more distinct and crisp dorsal & baring.

...the dorsal appears to 'fade' just as it goes into the tail and it definitely looks like it is fading as it approaches the withers.

[quote]...the dorsal appears to 'fade' just as it goes into the tail and it definitely looks like it is fading as it approaches the withers.[/quote]

I agree it does...However, can't cream at times do this to dun? What breed is he and what where his sire and dams colors?

Cream can dilute a dorsal, but it doesn't take away the crispness of it IMO.

Those leg bars are what say non dun to me. That's not what dun leg bars look like. Compare the shape and placement:
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I vote both dun & cream. I've seen many in which the cream fades the primitive markings. Duns just don't seem as vivid as when the horse carries no cream.

my dunskin didnt fade and was crisp clear and dark in all his markings.

please note the pics with green background were taken the day he was PTS :-( I sold him to someone who let him founder him so bad I couldnt sav him (he had over 75% pedal bone rotation) so I took him home to bury him :-(
the pic of the rider is my fav piccy of him (his previous owner riding him)

my fave piccy of him

Hmm...I don't really see any buckskin in those pics; just bay dun. What's his breeding?

hes a purebred appy (no spots but had one blue eye) hes by a dunskin son of mighty storm song(imp) and out of a chestnut appy mare.

He went really pale yellow all over in winter, i dont have the pics on computer yet thou. He looked like a pale cream bucky (with dun of course) in winter. no brown or bay head, etc. like a bay dun would have.

I also had him classified by a colour society who verified he was a dunskin and he was accepted for rego with them (not that thats proof but just that he had been inspected by a 2 colour people)

The pics are a little off colour as they are scanned not digital. They make him look darker. I actually kept hair samples of him to test one day before I knew about U C Davis. He died in 2001 to be interesting to test him.

Would the samples be too old??

The samples should be fine so long as there are still root bulbs attached to the hairs.

I vote Buckskin- no Dun. Dorsals not as crisp as it should be, the colour is so creamy not tan-creamy and the leg bars are like shadows.
Nice looking horse though.

cool thanks for all the info. Its really interesting :smile:

He's a yearling arabian pony, 75% arab 25% welsh. His mum is a bay pure arab and his dad is a pally arabian pony. I'm not sure if he has any dun in his lines.....all the welshies seem to be reg dun but seem buckskin.

The info is much appreciated :-D

So the pedigree certainly supports the no dun theory. Dun is NOT common in Welsh from what I've seen.

Ok on the pedigree info I'd have to change to the buckskin camp, Dun is very unusual in british natives, I think highlands are the only ones which display it regularly and they refuse to use the same terminology for colours as anyone else in the world which makes classification difficult.

Just another pic of a dunskin, I thought I would share here..very cream and hard to see leg bars on this girl in winter but were there and she was tested cream+dun factor. :smile:

Dun is more obvious in that one to me because the color doesn't have as much of the yellow tinge you see in cream-only dilutes. Dun tends to be more beige than yellow.

That is less obvious buckskin I think

Arabians are NOTORIOUS for false dorsals or countershading. They even go as far as to have shoulder bars sometimes, but there is no dun in arabs. I think I'd also have to switch to bucky!

I see shoulder bars in lots of breeds... the things Arabs do that I don't see in most breeds are darn convincing leg bars! :shock:

How do we know that Arabs don't have dun? I am actually quite clueless.. Was it through testing or breeding records? I wonder if we're going to find out that countershading is all different variations of a dun-like gene. I'm sure by saying that you can tell exactly how little I know about dun. Can you recommend a good site to learn about it?

Testing and breeding, yes.

[quote="Third Peppermint"]Can you recommend a good site to learn about it?[/quote]

Absolutely.

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