Fugly

I just let it roll off, it could set up a vibe that could make a bad name for the "color" forum...surely if we had another out of control like that young girl from one of the dakotas that bred a yearling and that was jsut a plain train wreck from start to finish heck no one could bite their tongue on that, but if no laws are being broken , its really not up to any of us weather someone can breed or not and the way I see it they will either go broke and quit, or ??? get over horsed give up...yea , it sucks but I think unless someone says " what do you think I should do" just yell at your computer screen and dont type, it works for me LOL ugly is very personal too, you'd be very suprised at a horse I think is ugly, but I would never call that one out, lots of folks like it. so be it.

I don't want to yell though...I want to make them think and I want to cry. I wish someone had made me before I bred. I will continue to bite the tongue, but I just remember the good things said by someone I respected on ABH made me completely blind and not look into things myself. I wish I had. But this forum is not about that so.....

dang, I'm really curious what poster you're talking about now.

I'd like to think that we can point out conformation flaws if they're serious and it's a regular poster. If it's just a noob who popped in to ask about color, then it's probably not our place.

[quote="Sara"]dang, I'm really curious what poster you're talking about now.

I'd like to think that we can point out conformation flaws if they're serious and it's a regular poster. If it's just a noob who popped in to ask about color, then it's probably not our place.[/quote]

Agreed on all counts.

I agree with Heather on this issue. Unless there is a serious conformational flaw or medical issue, it isn't our place to critique conformation without someone actually asking for the advice. I know that I personally am not a fan of certain characteristics, but they are not breeding the horse for me. Now if it is a HERDA, HyPP, SCID or something similar, I would think it would be okay to mention the condition to make sure that the person is aware of the situation.

Well it's no one here at this site and it was in a private email.

As much as I love Khaos, I would not have chosen to breed Serenity - if I had known then what I do now -and that's still not enough.

I think that's kind of what I was getting at, MP. I don't mean it should turn into a free-for-all, like "don't breed your mare because I don't like Tennessee Walkers" or "don't breed because she has big ears", but I was thinking of serious flaws relating to leg conformation. The sorts of things that will affect future soundness. I hadn't thought of HyPP, Herda etc but that's a good point, too. We tried with Den (and I think we lost her). To me it's more important to save the life of a future foal than to save someone's feelings.

This is my only forum since I don't have time to keep track of multiple ones, and even though it is not a conformation forum I have learned SO MUCH from the members here. I know there are certain horses in my past that I would not have purchased if I had known what I know now.

Maybe I'll put one of mine up in the conformation critique section to get that going. :)

Actually putting one up in the Critique section is a good idea Sara. I think I'll post Streak there. You guys can fugly him all you want :laugh1

Daylene

I put Rosalynn there. I know she's not perfect. :)

Daylene, maybe you should put something in the conformation forum about what kind of photo needs to be posted in order for a critique. It should be a side shot, standing as square as possible.

I'll post some of my school ponies for critique. Since they are all aged geldings, I don't worry about having hurt feelings. In fact, I'll try to remember to scan in a photo of Mouse, who is probably the one of the worst conformed horses I have ever seen. He'd be one that you would just say all of the above.

I could post Serenity up and say exactly why she should not be bred! Great idea!

Your right Sara I should add that thanks!

Another way to do it is to point out that Mare XYZ should go to a stallion that would fix head/neck/shoulder/leg/whatever. That way you're not being "mean", and being constructive in pointing out where a horse would need improvement.

Diane

That is good idea NZ,, :)

Very diplomatic, Diane!

:D comes with my job...have any idea of just how diplomatic you have to be when you're (well, your firm) representing some scumbag who just beat the crap out of someone? Or when you're dealing with some punk who is up on charges again, for something he's done maybe 25 other times????? :whip :hammer :BH

Gotta love my job, otherwise why else would I do it? :laugh1

Diane

OK, I've posted a class of photos from my yahoo group. Wondering now if it's OK? Check the conformation forum and let me know....Should I call Jim and ask? He owns the horses, but this group says anything published is free reign for criticism.....they will take a photo of Gazal and say whatever they want...

Just catching up on it all...sometimes we do have to bite our tongues.... I saw a post this week that mad be crawl because of the terrible fencing...trouble is we can't say anything.

The critique is a good idea...I will see what I can find. ;)

I saw that one too!!!! cringes and bites tongue.

okay, what about CMHorses mares? I really want to suggest that the mares with slipper feet should not be bred... perhaps they should put their efforts toward farrier care rather than creating more foals?

SNORT!!!!!!!! :o :shock: :laugh1 Now even I can't come up with something diplomatic to suggest that! :booty

Diane

okay, wait, what?? It's getting worse! Saddle training at 18 months? Do you think she's making it up? I hate to think she's just trying to get a rise out of people here.

Well, I gave a reply...I think (hope!) it's diplomatic enough. I did avoid the whole 18mo thing, as there was NO way I could say anything like what the hell...along with what makes you think mom's gonna be any more clued in with the next crop than she was with the last crop?????????????

Diane

Thanks everyone for being gentle with CM I know for a fact that she is just a kid and to me really seems like she's trying to learn. Honestly what she has been taught is alot like what I was taught growing up. At least she is getting out there and getting some of the misinformation dispelled earlier than I did. Starting at 18mo is still very common in many western circles. I had a reining trainer tell me to start Streak at 18 mo and then turn him out for a couple of months so he could be ready for the 3 yr old shows. :roll:

Its not likely her mom will change her mind anyway just on our say so but if someone has an article handy on horse maturation I'll see CM gets it.

I know someone here has posted a link to a really good article before. It might have been by Deb Bennett?? I should have bookmarked it.

I know CMhorses is only 18 so I agree, gentle education is best.

I might start a new thread if you agree about a TB who was raced as a yearling and the physical damage it did to the horse...that way it is completely true and unrelated to CM.

Let me know what you think.......I know it will rial the TB people but what happened to that mare was horrific and completely avoidable.

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These articles?

Diane

I would post the one on skeletal development in general as an interesting article and then we can also make our comments - excellent idea - love it :HB

Yes I like that idea...that way it is informative but not pointed right at CM!