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This looks dun to me
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idunno, but i want this in my pasture:
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turn one of my ponies that color please?
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[quote="CMhorses"]So what would you accually call him? Smokey Grullo Dun?[/quote]Smoky Silver Grulla is was I would call him. Grulla dun is redundant and imo wrong even if its not. To me dun = bay dun and grulla = black dun. So grulla dun is just genetically incorrct to me.
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[quote="accphotography"]Well I did just see one oopsie, he can't throw a cremello.[/quote]
* The definition of grulla; [color=#804000]chocolate[/color] with a dun gene. :?
* "will give 100% chocolate." He will?? :roll: :? Is that trying to state that his foals will be black based? Or black based with silver? Or does that refer to the dun status. That was not tested and it is not known if that is hmz or not.
* And try as he may, he will indeed not be producing any cremellos.
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[quote="vneerland"][quote="accphotography"]Well I did just see one oopsie, he can't throw a cremello.[/quote]
* The definition of grulla; [color=#804000]chocolate[/color] with a dun gene. :?
* "will give 100% chocolate." He will?? :roll: :? Is that trying to state that his foals will be black based? Or black based with silver? Or does that refer to the dun status. That was not tested and it is not known if that is hmz or not.
* And try as he may, he will indeed not be producing any cremellos.[/quote] Chocolate (and red chocolate) are Rocky Mountain horse terms. They mean black silver, and bay silver respectively.
So YES all of his foals will be "chocolate." And he IS chocolate with a dun gene, other wise known as a silver grulla, or in this case smoky silver grulla.
And while he may not be producing YOUR definition of cremello to many people if it is ANY double dilute it IS cremello.
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[quote="vneerland"][quote="accphotography"]Well I did just see one oopsie, he can't throw a cremello.[/quote]
* The definition of grulla; [color=#804000]chocolate[/color] with a dun gene. :?
* "will give 100% chocolate." He will?? :roll: :? Is that trying to state that his foals will be black based? Or black based with silver? Or does that refer to the dun status. That was not tested and it is not known if that is hmz or not.
* And try as he may, he will indeed not be producing any cremellos.[/quote]
Well a grulla is a black dun... a chocolate with a dun gene IS a grulla, it's just a grulla with silver.
Yes, he will give 100% chocolate. All of his foals WILL be black based and thus all WILL be chocolate. No point testing for dun zygosity, only one parent is dun, and the horse is clearly dun.
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[quote="RiddleMeThis"]And while he may not be producing YOUR definition of cremello to many people if it is ANY double dilute it IS cremello.[/quote]
Oh come on now. :roll: If we did not care about what label one should use, why bother with this site/forum were are on in the first place. ;) The fact that it is commonplace to use misnomers does not make it any less of one. :twisted:
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[quote="vneerland"][quote="RiddleMeThis"]And while he may not be producing YOUR definition of cremello to many people if it is ANY double dilute it IS cremello.[/quote]
Oh come on now. :roll: If we did not care about what label one should use, why bother with this site/forum were are on in the first place. ;) The fact that it is commonplace to use misnomers does not make it any less of one. :twisted:[/quote]I never said it WASNT a misnormer, nor that we should use it. That was not my point at all.
Many breeds wont even let you register a perlino/smoky cream as anything BUT cremello.
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[quote="vneerland"][quote="RiddleMeThis"]And while he may not be producing YOUR definition of cremello to many people if it is ANY double dilute it IS cremello.[/quote]
Oh come on now. :roll: If we did not care about what label one should use, why bother with this site/forum were are on in the first place. ;) The fact that it is commonplace to use misnomers does not make it any less of one. :twisted:[/quote]
So we're here to make fun of people who maybe don't quite understand genetic concepts, or maybe who are catering to mare owners who maybe don't understand? They understand a whole lot more than alot of stallion owners I've seen.
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[quote="vneerland"][quote="accphotography"]Well a grulla is a black dun... a chocolate with a dun gene IS a grulla, it's just a grulla with silver.[/quote]
Okay. Breed specific term then? Or did somebody declare all black (based) silvers to be chocolate?[/quote]Breed specific and they are VERY consistent with it.
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[quote="vneerland"]Speaking of black[i] based[/i]. What is this horses agouti status?
And how would 'they' call a bay dun with silver and creme and dun? :rofl[/quote]
Chocolate buckskin dun. And he and his parents are clearly black based. I doubt they tested for it.
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So, hang on a minute there.....heterozygous black and red and agouti based +CrCr is now Perlino?????
Either way, this is something that has niggled at me for a while...that a CrCr horse is automatically Perlino even if it carries red???
So....really if we are to be such purists, we need terms for :
CrCr black base carrying agouti = Perlino
CrCr black base = Smoky Cream
CrCr red base = Cremello
CrCr red and black base= ????
*[size=85]ohmygosh.....rmt....we agree!!!! :laugh1 [/size]*
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Red carriers wouldn't show up phenotypically, as far as I'm aware you would have to test for the red gene if it was carried, so a EE perlino will look the same as a Ee perlino so wouldn't have a different colour name unless you were describing them genotypically not phenotypically.
Some people get confused with the word 'carry', to me it means a recessive carried genetically, that is only one copy, but not expressed, some people use it to mean any colour whether expressed or not and whether you can physically see it on the animal or not. So to me a horse can't carry agouti, it either is or it isn't, an agouti can carry black (or rather 'self'), a black can carry red (Ee), but it won't express the fact that is carrying a recessive phenotypically, a horse can't carry both red and black, it is either black (EE, Ee) or red (ee). Thats my understanding coming from a rodent colour genetics perspective anyway :)
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Was the horse Dun at all in the testing? I can't remember what Z is.
Also, yea they must be confused if they think they can get anything other than a black base out of that horse.