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Itz
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which pearl combination?
I'm not really an expert in pearl and the different colors within it, which is why I'm asking here to get your oppinion. A girl took a photo of this lovely Irish Cob over here. I've known that there is pearl in Vanners and in Irish Cobs in other countries, but I've never seen anything like it where I live. This mare however looks like a pearl to me. Now, just to be sure I'd love to hear what particular combination you would say that she is. I personally would say Cream+prl on a dark base coat, but like I said I'm far from good at pearl. What would you call this one? http://cdn06.dayviews.com/95/_u4/_u8/_u2/_u8/u48284/83711_1322956685/Jahapp_jag_forsoker_val_slutfora_den_har_grejen_med_farger_pa_kusar_da_Sa_over_till_nagot_som_man.jpg
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I would have actually said

I would have actually said silver + champagne.

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silver+champagne? Hm... well,

silver+champagne? Hm... well, I suppose it's possible, although cobs in silver around here is something I've rarely heard of. Champagne I've actually never heard of in cobs here. We have perhaps a handfull of champagnes here (Sweden) all in all (imported paints & quarters mostly), so it's not something you stumble upon every day:P

Managed to find more photos: photo 1
photo 2
photo 3
photo 4

And a photo of a foal of hers: photo 1
photo 2
photo 3

The sire of the foal is believed to be a black tobiano, according to the girl who shot two of the photos.

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Hmm, if she HAD to be pearl

Hmm, if she HAD to be pearl I'd have guessed black pearl (black base, two copies of pearl), but if the stallion is truly black (not smokey black) then she has to have cream since the foal is buckskin. Maybe buckskin pearl?

Basically - if the stallion is true black, not brown, with no cream (not smokey black) the mare cannot have two copies of pearl because the foal has one copy of cream and no other dilution. Even if the sire IS smokey black then the mare couldn't have two copies of pearl since the foal would have gotten one. She also can't be black based as well since the foal is bay-based and one of the parents needs to have that gene.

Doubtful that she has champagne if she's over in Sweden since that gene is associated with "the New World." Her weird eye color and skin color makes me lean away from her being a double dilute or a single dilute with silver.

Unless I got the whole inheritance of pearl vs. cream wrong. If that's the case I'm not sure.

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No! My main weakness.

No! My main weakness. Beige! My powers of equine-color-deduction are made inaccurate by colors diluted to beige. Help me DNA man!

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The power of color testing will save us!

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That said pearl, champagne and silver has been recorded in cobs. Since the many cobs have lacked a closed studbook it has allowed New World mutations to enter the genepool. But champagne is still rare from what I've seen. The eyes look diluted and pearl on it's own will not do that. So my guess is for smokey black pearl possibly with silver.

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What colors are the parents

What colors are the parents of the mare in question? I doubt silver or champagne due to the breed and location. Looks like smokey cream or smokey black+ pearl to me.

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Also, champagne and silver

Also, champagne and silver are usually pretty obvious on a black based horse, so cream/pearl would be the best bets for something sneaking in.

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I unfortunatly don't know

I unfortunatly don't know anything about her parents.
I looked at the online database where she is registred. Her sire is unknown, and there is no more information about the dam other than name and breed (IC). Her dam and sire is unknown.
I have however found out that the mare herself is IC crossed with another breed Which breed though, I don't know. I however have contact with the girls who took the photos, and they said that they would try to look up more information about her.
As for silver, we don't have a lot of it around here. The only breed where it's fairly common here is in the icelandics, which is a breed we have a lot of. Silver could potentially have sneaked in that way since she's not pure IC. Champagne however I'm very sceptic towards.

As for the sire of the foal, the information about him that I got is that he was probably a black tobi, but could also have been a dark bay or brown tobi. they weren't really sure. He's however an IC.

I am trying to hunt down more info about this mare. I find her prety interesting, so it would be nice to know what she really is, and where that peral came from if that's the case here.

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There's quite a few silvers

There's quite a few silvers in the cobs, never heard of a champagne though. My best guess would have to be silver buckskin, I've seen them before with manes this light. Could also be buckskin pearl or smokey black pearl, the skin on the nose is light enough, but not sure it is light enough round the eyes?

Edit, just looked at the other pictures, yeh probably a cream pearl, black or bay based

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