Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
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Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
The bucky tobi colt (homozygous)
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The black bucky filly with blue eyes
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Both have just been tested with UC Davis to confirm their colours.
The chestnut tobi is not mine, but one I was considering buying, so naturally she's not on my website.
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
You're right. Frame is pretty rare in true Shetlands. Splash is very common though, especially in tobis with little face white I've noticed.
The bucky tobi is indeed baby cream blues and will change.
From what I can tell the black bucky's are truly blue and likely splash.
What did the black bucky test as?
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
I was wondering Smokey Black.
Her breeder has her sire listed as black & he looks black (considering he's in paddock condition, so not a 'true' indication of his colour.
I've been doing some 'extra' research. The Shetland studbook over here & the mini pony studbook, both have him listed by his breeder as black buckskin.
What colours are generally needed to produce a smokey black? Her DNA came back as positive for Cream, so we know she is a dilute at least...
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
If these are basic Shetlands as opposed to AmShets then Frame is unknown and Sabino is[i] supposed[/i] to be unknown but I am not 100% convinced on that one!
So Splash and Tobiano are your only options. The filly does not look Buckskin to me- where are you, though as I do know that Oz and NZ often call Smoky Black "Black Buckskin" (have NO idea why!) and she looks Smoky Black to me, not Brown (although it is always a possibility)
I like you ponies, btw.....
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
Rabbitsfizz... We are in Aus, and they are the 'Genuine' shetlands, not the American Shetlands who are actually mini horse.
She can't be brown as she has already been tested to carry cream.
I dont mind if she's buckskin or smoky black, so long as she's carrying cream, which she is.
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
[quote="sialer"]What colours are generally needed to produce a smokey black? Her DNA came back as positive for Cream, so we know she is a dilute at least...[/quote]
Smokey Black is a Black Buckskin, so a cream gene and a black gene. The Aussie buckskin societies just call it black buckskin instead of smokey black. It means though smokey blacks can be registered as buckskins (which might be why they do it?).
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
[quote="bonjovifan"]Hate the term black buckskin. A smokey black & black buckskin is not the same thing.[/quote]
It is in Australia :) I didn't make it up, it's just the way it is!
No different to americans calling silver, 'silver dapple'. It's incorrect and I hate it, but I can't change it as it's just what so many americans call a black silver :)
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LOL, I remembered that after I replied! But I've noticed you are more up on using american terms, maybe because you have mini's? They do seem to use them more. I'd never heard of silver dapple until I knew some mini breeders, although they called it "silver dapple taffy" then.. Which is SUCH a mouthful LOL!
I find it annoying that alot
I find it annoying that alot of american registered minis are described as grey when they are silver black , its understandable on the old pedigrees before colours were understood and testing was unavailable but I know people that still say grey when they mean silver (and they do know there's a difference!)
I'm an Aussie and smokey
I'm an Aussie and smokey blacks called black buckskins annoy me too. Mind you, I sometimes refer to my silver bay as a silver bay/taffy so the aussies that don't know what the silver gene is, know what colouring I'm bacially referring to. Not because I'm fond of using taffy. I'm not because it annoys me when I see flaxen chestnuts called taffy. No wonder some people get confused.
Re: Blue eyes - what gene causes it?
Frame, splash and homozygous cream cause blue eyes.
The black buckskin... does she have a white pattern?
The buckskin tobi's eyes are likely just a baby color and will probably change to brown.
Cream only causes blue eyes in cremellos, perlinos and smokey creams.
The chestnut tobi likely has splash. No, blue eyes mean nothing with relation to tobi or it's passage rate.