snowflake? or varnish?
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Re: snowflake? or varnish?
no gray- as I said she was about 18 years old in that photo. I an a bit confused on snowflake vs frosting now too trying to reaserch it a bit. Some appys that they call snowflake are almost like birdcatcher spotting (not genetically, but in looks) - small solid white dots on a darker base color; others refer to her pattern of 'lighter roan dapples' as snowflake. Can any appy people clarrify for me. I have now seen horses with lighter dapples refer to this effect as 'frosted' too.
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Re: snowflake? or varnish?
Varnish roan, although she might have had snowflakes in her younger days. I used to have a mare colored just like her -- dapples and all! Yes, LP roans can be very minimally expressed, although I usually don't call them varnish unless they roan out enough to reveal varnish marks.
Re: snowflake? or varnish?
[quote="Crias"]so is snowflake really just a minimal or delayed expression of varnish in your opinion Appy? Or do some stay snowflake until very old age?[/quote]
IMO, snowflake is a pattern in and of itself...little white dots/streaks which can come and go. This is based on the fact that we've had several snowflakes that only had "moving" spots, and no other varnishing going on with their coat colour.
Diane
Your Varnish Roan Mare
I hope you come back to this thread sometime, I also sent you an email.
My inlaws sold an Appy mare to someone in Oregon in the early (I think) 1970's. She was exactly that color and I was wondering if your mare could be her foal or grand daughter. Her name was Tom Tom's Folly and I seem to have a vague memory of some mention of llamas. :-) The mare was sold from Moses Lake, Wn.
Thanks,
judiw
Hi Judi- my mom got this mare
Hi Judi- my mom got this mare, who she called Quin, in late 70's as a weanling, and at that time she appeared solid bay with no Appy characteristics. She was not registered so I don't know her pedigree. I did see photos of Quin's dam, who I think was in her teens, and she was like 90% varnished out. I know Quin's sire was an appendix QH. I think the call name of her dam was 'Lady', but don't know the registered name. Sorry I can't provide any better specifics. BTW we didn't get llamas until like 1994, so didn't have them when Quin was young.
She was a very handy and athletic little mare, but quite a spooky thing. My mom trained her through second level dressage and she was scopy over fences too. She was sold around 1996 and was shown on the pony hunter/jumper circuit in Bend, OR area After that.
your varnish roan mare
Thanks for the response. Llamas aside (I could be mistaken there) , I do wonder if she was out of the mare but have recently seen some wild horses from around your area someplace showing that dappled, varnish color pattern so who knows.
I had to laugh, I broke the mare when she was a 4 yr old pasture pet (my mother-in-law inherited the horses from her brother George Phippen, a cowboy artist from Arizona, and she wasn't a horse person). I had only ridden as a kid at that time and didn't really know much. The mare could jump a little, I used to canter her out in the sagebrush outside of Moses Lake and she wouldn't rein well enough in a hackamore to go around stuff but sailed effortlessly over some pretty big bushes and never broke a stride. I don't remember her being particularly spooky but I owned her first foal for awhile and one reason I sold her was her strong tendency to spook.
I don't know much about the mare's sire except I have seen an oil painting of him and he was the same color as your mare. Her dam was red varnished roan and had several foals that colored late. The daughter I sold had a small blanket and spots but roaned out to mostly white as did some of her foals. One colt remained leopard and did very well as a performance sire in Montana, he produced some national level gaming horses I think. Folly was 1/2 sister to Arizona State Open Reining Champion and Appaloosa Junior National Champion Reining Horse who went on to place 5th in the big Open stock Horse Competition at Cow Palace competing against the best QHs. That mare produced a National Champion Hackamore Reining horse. So if they were indeed related your mare came by her handiness honestly. :-)
Thanks again for the reply
Re: snowflake? or varnish?
OK I am no expert on LP but I would guess varnish on this one not snowflake, is there a possibility of any grey in there too? I love your name so do you have any Crias???