Champagne?? Can test be wrong??

I certainly can't make a case for it... I'd have him retested.

IMO I find it very doubtful that horse is champagne. We have seen test results be wrong before and IMO this is one of those times.

If that Stallion is a champagne.... sorry but unless I had a copy of the test in my hands, there is no way I would believe that!!!
He is a Bay sabino...if he had the champagne gene his bay base, mane and tail would be diluted ...no sign of any dilution im my opinion....
I think theymay have been given the results from another horse!!! :)

It doesn't always dilute the mane and tail and he DOES have reverse dapples. *shrug*

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Well maybe the champagne gene reacts differently on the coat colour in heavy breeds like the silver gene does in QH's.. versus mini's.. who knows.. throws out everything I've seen in regards to this gene if he is a true amber champagne :) thats for sure :?

did the veri-SNP test for Champagne?

I think it was UKY that did the test.

The horse looks far to reddish-brown under the ticking rather than having the yellowish dilute tone. I have seen dark dilutes as in sooty or brown or 'liver' but not with that reddish tone.

Interesting.

I would have to pull the hair, take it to the lab, witness the testing, and I would still not believe that that horse is a champagne. Champagne reacts in the draft breeds just like it does the other breeds and that is no champagne.

They are re-testing him. He was done at Animal Genetics and they are pretty confident the results are true :shock:

Hopefully find out what the second test says!

I am so glad they are going to re-test. Please keep us posted.

Daylene

Is Animal Genetics OK??
I have heard varying things about them.
There is already Champagne in GC's though, in OZ...???

Animal Genetics is great, and one of the highly recomended labs.

Nah, no Champagnes in the Gypsy cobs. Anything thought to be, has now tested as being Pearl.

Dunno where where they'd get Champagne from, it's not really in the UK or Europe is it??

Yeh I thought Animal Genetics were supposed to be pretty good too. There is an animal genetics in the UK too isn't there? This horse was done in the US though.

There was a champagne horse (AQHA) that was bought in france from a traveling western show, taken to England in the 40's or 50's. Ginger of Dunbar was her name I believe. So champagne has been in the UK for a little.

But that horse still does not look champagne, he looks like a bay sabino.

def dosent look champ!

theres are some lovley GC's in Oz, a lovley lady on another forumn has some, they are stunning! she has a silver one too she just imported :love

I know who that is! The silver one she just imported is a Gypsy/Clydesdale cross from the US, gorgeous boy!

[quote="peruvianpasogal"]But that horse still does not look champagne, he looks like a bay sabino.[/quote]

I agree. I won't know what to think if this next test says champagne too :?

Could have sworn someone posted Champagne GCs form OZ....must have been Pearl??
Why does he think it is Champagne?
It does not look Champagne, I am just wondering why anyone would start off thinking it was.
Some animals you look at them and immediately think, "Could be, might be worth testing," but this is not one of them.
Did he have the verisnap thing done?
I would definitely be testing again, with another facility, as there is nothing worse than be found out wrong on the Internet :rofl
I do like this farms horses, though, and you know how I feel about this "breed" in general, but, if anyone should be able to come up with a decent GC it ought to be a Gypsy!!
Note the sizes of the animals he has, BTW!

Well it was an American who got the test done, and like many of them they just test for nearly everything. They don't need the verisnap thing, just tick all the colours!! :D .

Yeh the Oz ref must have been Pearl, at least if it was to do with the cobs.

I like a lot of the Dixie Downs horses too, although I don't understand the size reference? :oops: Do you mean because the US likes to try and buy the bigger ones? In Oz they range from 13hh to 15hh. I would have thought that was fairly standard?

No the US goes specifically for the biggest they can get, up to 16hh+
An Internet friend of mine had to actually get hers from the UK (at my prompting and encouragement) because she wanted a 14.2hh.
No real Gypsy would feed legs, so theirs all tend to be around the 14hh mark, I like the 11hand colt, he looks a lot bigger

I soooo don't understand why so many people want big huge horses. I can see needing height for some things...but people around here want these great tall 17hh TWH monsters for trail riding....when they'd be perfectly fine on something around 14.2-15hh. My own little gaited trail horse is a whopping 13.3hh! LOL The haflinger comes in at 2 inches shorter. At least I don't have to duck as often because of low hanging branches and limbs on the trail....lol

Yeh I agree, I think a lot of it is breeds too, I mean the finer saddlebred types with a long back maybe aren't going to be able to carry so much if they are are smaller?

The heavy stocky ponies and cobs can obviously carry a lot more weight, but if you aren't used to that type, people buy taller because they think they need to?

I must admit RF, to loving those little stocky pony cobs, some of the native ponies are getting finer, and these little cobs keep turning up, I think they are rippers :D

A fine, 15.00hh horse could carry a lot more than the same animal jacked up to 17.3hh, this is where people go wrong.
Arabs , real Arabs, were weedy little things, and carried men across the desert flat out!
The animals the Blunts brought back were around 13.2/13.3 hh.

RF agreed, a well put together Paso Fino who at biggest is going to top out at 14.2hh should be able to carry an 18 stone (250lb) man for a long trek....same with a lot of the old Iberian breeds.

To me, the perfect height range is 13-14h ;) All my riding horses (not counting the two retired TBs) fall in that range. Well, not positive about my Fjord, he might be a tad over 14h. Need to try to remember to measure him when I go visit him at my trainer's tomorrow :)

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]A fine, 15.00hh horse could carry a lot more than the same animal jacked up to 17.3hh, this is where people go wrong.
Arabs , real Arabs, were weedy little things, and carried men across the desert flat out!
The animals the Blunts brought back were around 13.2/13.3 hh.[/quote]

Arabs, real ones as seen in the Middle East, at least in the herds I saw when in the Middle East were far from weedy little things. My tribal Arab that I rode in the Middle East was broader than any QH I've ridden, and was a hair under 16hh.

Diane

Ok, this horse has been retested and yes he's Champagne!! :?

How bizarre - it just doesn't look like one but hey that's what's so fun about Equine genetics - maybe it's the sabino roan interferring with it but somehow I doubt it !

His mane and forelock look so black too in some of his pictures, not diluted at all. Very strange!! I wonder if it's kind of like a low expression champagne?!