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Why no 4th stocking?

haffyluv January 10, 2011 February 22, 2011

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Hey everyone, just wondering about my new mare. I found it weird that she has so much white and then is missing it on one leg :? Is it just chance? or is there a reason she only has 3 :?: Not the best pics but shows her colour :-D [img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j269/boonooloo_hills/IMG_0377.jpg[/img] [img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j269/boonooloo_hills/IMG_0436.jpg[/img]

critterkeeper Mon, 01/10/2011 - 08:30

When I see that much face & leg white and a solid leg, I think frame - be sure and test her to be sure....I like her, what are her bloodlines?

rodeoratdogs Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:28

[quote="Dogrose"]Shire and gypsy horses get that, I guess its some kind of sabino.[/quote]

That's interesting, pretty obvious that Annie and her Dam are Splash as well as Sabino since they don't carry frame, I wonder if it is the type of sabino or the combination of the two.

Pretty mare BTW haffyluv, her brands are interesting.

rodeoratdogs Mon, 01/10/2011 - 13:11

Ha! we could form a 3 white sock club :D I have never seen Annie's Dam up close in person but Annies does have a couple of the Ermine spots on at least one of her back socks.

haffyluv Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:24

Thanks guys, thats interesting, she is pure arabian, mainly Cabbet lines. Do arabs carry frame? I don't plan on breeding with her but would be interesting to know.

Maigray Tue, 01/11/2011 - 08:22

I was going to ask if she was an Arab, she looked it. No, Arabs do not carry frame. It's a little funny to miss a leg, but I don't think it's terribly uncommon either.

rodeoratdogs Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:23

That's interesting, I didn't know that Arabs didn't carry frame. To me her markings almost look indentical to Annie's with the rear socks and the shape of the top of the blaze indicating sabino and the front sock indicating splash. So arabs can have belli spot's right, so is that always splash then?

Maigray Tue, 01/11/2011 - 12:56

Splash, sabino or dominant white. There is only one confirmed line of dominant white, but one or two other contenders.

thorwood Tue, 01/11/2011 - 13:12

:rofl My stallion throws markings like that quite a bit, no frame!!! Also see it quite commonly in welshies, no frame there either.

thorwood Tue, 01/11/2011 - 16:58

Going by his markings & what he produces my stallion is splash & sabino. No chance of tobiano either.
Must admit, I have seen these markings so often, I don't find it unusual at all.

critterkeeper Wed, 01/12/2011 - 19:26

[quote="accphotography"]She's frame negative?[/quote]

That was my thoughts too....that sure looks like a sabino & frame spot to me (and if it were on the neck - I'd be positive, just goes to show that nesting is best...lol).

rodeoratdogs Wed, 01/12/2011 - 19:57

Yes she is frame [b]negative[/b], that and HYPP were the first 2 things I tested her for and she is negative for both. Don't you remember ACC? When I first joined the forum we had a long thread on her while I was waiting for the results. She was also negative for pearl, I was wanting a positive on that one, and negative for agouti. Here is her pedigree.
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critterkeeper Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:03

Oh we don't doubt YOU rodeoratdogs or the test results, it is just the area is so phenotypically indicitive of frame...that is why I said that testing is best (yes I know it reads nesting is best - :oops: :hammer , was playing Frontierville at the same time)

rodeoratdogs Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:13

Well I know that Arabs can have belly spots too, and they don't carry frame, and don't Clydesdales have the belly spots as well? do they carry frame? Oh and did ya notice the 3 white socks were passed down from GBF Pretty Coosa? Annie's grandsire on her Dams side.

critterkeeper Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:17

It isn't the fact that it's a belly spot but the shape and presentation of the spot, if it were round and smoothed edged, then it would have simply said splash or sabino to me (splash white tends to be more of a "dipped" look and sabino more roany/blotchy)

rodeoratdogs Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:35

That's what I was thinking (sabino), it's kind of splotchyish, I had all her test's done at animal genetics in Florida, I thought they had a pretty good reputation for being accurate.

Danni Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:39

[quote="thorwood"]Going by his markings & what he produces my stallion is splash & sabino. No chance of tobiano either.
Must admit, I have seen these markings so often, I don't find it unusual at all.[/quote]

No I don't think three stockings is at all unsual, and nothing to do with frame. Tobianos also obviously can have a solid leg and nothing to do with frame too, but heaps of normal sabino/splash horses have only three stockings...

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Is it easy to tell what pattern causes a belly spot by the shape of it? Here is Annie's, it's kind of spotty so would that indicate sabino rather than splash?[/quote]

That looks totally normal slash/sabino to me. I seriously find most things you guys say are frame perfectly normal in non frames :? Which means it really isn't due to frame at all ;)

rodeoratdogs Wed, 01/12/2011 - 20:47

Actually Danni, If I recall correctly you were the only one that thought Annie was frame negative before I got the test back, and you were right. ;)

Remember we were talking about her sort of (frame?not) moustache and all that?