What would you have called him?
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I did find a picture of this stallions full sister--Jaxelorri...she is the pally mare behind the bay colt
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Re: What would you have called him?
This is the type I would have considered liver palomino:
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Re: What would you have called him?
See that one looks just like a sooty palomino mare my friend shows against all the time. Her mane and tail are WHITE white, but she's definitely sooty (heck she's almost black across her topline she's so dark).
Maybe it's dependant upon whether we think liver IS sooty or not. I kind of think it is, but at the same time some don't look it to me.
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[quote="acc photography"][quote="Jordie 0587"]Maybe it's dependant upon whether we think liver IS sooty or not. I kind of think it is, but at the same time some don't look it to me.[/quote]
BINGO! Exactly what I was about to point out. I personally think there is a separate "liver gene".[/quote]
I tend towards a separate liver gene, too.
I think Sooty does not cover the "black" chestnuts with the blond or self coloured manes and tails that you seem to get most typically in Arabs and Morgans....
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When I think of a liver or whatever color I think of a fairly even color shade where ever that color is.
When I think of sooty I think of unevenly darker areas over patches of the body. As if someone took a bucketful of soot and blew it over the body. Starting from the top.
A higher concentration of dark on top of the back, going down over the barrel, hips and neck, lightening considerable on the lower neck, the muscle bulges of the legs catch some soot on the way down.
Does that seem right or does some sooty act differently?
I, who humbly admit I know nothing, also think some livers are a different gene. Liver is to chestnut what seal is to bay.
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I actually think there are two separate sorts of colour that are lumped under "Liver"....sort of like overo, if it looks like it, call it that!!
My "liver" is a Red Dun + Sooty, she has proven that by breeding, but he looks that romantic deep red with blonde mane and tail.
Now Rabidan (Darjeel X Rabiha) was dark deep chocolate with self coloured mane and tail, and did not throw sooty, in fact all his Palomino babies were sooty free to the extent that we remarked that all we had to do with Sundancers sooty children was "pour them through Rabidans charcoal" it was as if he filtered out the sooty, so I would say it was, even pre testing of any kind, fair to say his liver was not caused by sooty?
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I did not until I started thinking about it...that's why having some colour obsessed friends is useful!!
Then I saw it put forward tentatively here as well and I thought, yeah, but.......
Then I thought some more (OK I do a lot of thinking!!)
There are too many "liver" animals that just turn up form two "normal" chestnuts for it to be only a separate gene, which is why I thought it might be sooty causing the [i]effect[/i] in some eg phenotype, and a separate gene in others, eg genotype???
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I am wondering if he is Palomino...we are just assuming that.
I accept he has Cream as it is proven by breeding (and I shall not say what I think of him being used for breeding!) but this does not mean he is Palomino....do you possibly have pictures of sire and dam??