What colour will this foal be?

Do you have any more pixs? That one is hard to tell. :-\ My gut said bay, but without closeups, it's hard to tell. :-?

If sire and dam are truly the colors you listed, then she can't be bay-based (no one to give the dominant agouti gene) so no bay dun. I would say black based on the foal coat.

Foal looks like a seal brown to me. I'd want to confirm the parents are truly black.

thanks for adding the photo for me slaneyrose!The foals sire is actually black and white pinto ..

here is a close up photo
[img]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q130…]

I still think seal brown, but I think I'll wait a bit longer to see the shed or a full clip.

Sorry bout getting the sire colour wrong Tanz! :sad Delighted that I`m not the only one that thinks black or seal (I voted on the irish mini forum lol) :flower :toast

I always thought the mare [storm] was a dun mare ??Going by her colouring in moate ??Maybe you should post a pic of her tanz !! :)

here is the mare..i would call her dun :)
[img]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q130…]

I would have said buckskin, but I can't really see her back.

and here is the stallion
[img]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q130…]

Pablo, a grulla IS a dun, which I stated at the begininning. ;)

She is a true Dun, no Cream, + Sooty.
I know her well, I put her in foal to one of my stallions, the first year she bred.
Dun + Sooty, not Buckskin.

To many people "dun", used by itself (i.e., not in connection with red dun) stands for bay + dun factor. To many, the three basic "dun" shades are: red dun (chestnut + dun), "dun" (bay + dun) and grullo/a (black + dun).

I personally hate the use of just "dun" for bay dun, since I think dun = dun factor, so should be put with its base colour.

Diane

Looks Bucky to me too... I want to see a dorsal shot.

NZ...Are you saying that the people who call her a "dun" mean bay dun? I have seen this mare in the flesh and thought she was a grulla, ie: black dun, is she not then?

I still say she looks buckskin to me. Bay dun if not (but I doubt it).

She is a Dun in that she is not a Dunskin, nor a Buckskin, nor a Black Dun.
She is a Bay base Dun.

OK???

And what has happened to the Forum set up, honestly I leave you people alone for a day...........

on the same theme .... red dun + cream is refered to as dunalino , so what do you call black dun + cream or bay dun + cream?

Smokey grullo and buckskin dun (or dunskin, but for some reason I hate that term lol)

Bay Dun + Cream would be a Dunskin and a Black Dun + Cream would not show visually but would be a Smoky Black Dun genetically

[quote]I personally hate the use of just "dun" for bay dun, since I think dun = dun factor, so should be put with its base colour.[/quote]

I agree totally and am really surprised to hear just "dun" means bay dun...especially when so many insist on calling silver dapple...silver black, to be descriptionally correct! :hammer :shock:

Silver Black is the correct term, but Silver on it's own is often used as a "base" description, ie "the horse obviously has Silver"
The mare obviously has Dun, the base is obviously Bay, sometimes we do not (or should not) have to spell things out.
But you are right, I was tired and not thinking straight.
I should have spelled it out :laugh1

I've always heard "dun" in referene to a bay dun.

Claybank or red dun, dun or yellow dun, and grulla.

I've never really used "bay dun" because in my experience it's redundant.

Just goes to show the difference in different areas. I can argue all day long about dun vs buckskin with my friends dad. He insists that "dun" is red dun, and bay dun (or buckskin) are buckskin. I keep telling him that's not really right, regardless of what terms you use because then your grouping buckskins and duns together and they aren't the same, but he doesn't get it. Every time I point out that dun's ALWAYS have a line, he finds a buckskin that has countershading. Drives me bonkers.