What color foal?

No! They're not consistent about it. Half our herd were denied registration for having some kind of white, but some would get through. One pony apparently had tiny tiny star and got registered. Two of ours had a white foot (or feet) and didn't get in. One mare apparently had lacing on her back - which I never saw - in summer and got denied for that. Another had nothing wrong with him, he was very dark though and the breeding was not sanctioned? Or somesuch, never got the whole story. I know for a fact one filly got in, but she was brown. She was born black, everyone was sure she wouldn't make it. She developed the typical tan muzzle, not the cream of pangare, and it looked obvious to me - but they let her in. Never saw a typical bay without it, but the brown filly, the rest were blacks.

I've been speaking to a really nice breeder with a lot of duns. She showed me these as examples of foals that started out red, but wound up (and tested) dun:

http://www.grullablue.com/foals/foals09…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (genetically tested to be grullo)

http://www.grullablue.com/mares/scoot.h…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Grew up and turned out silvery grullo

The one foal, lying down, does look red, the others look typical Grullo.
Wait....there's a test for Dun???

This looks grullo to you RF? :lol:

http://www.grullablue.com/foals/foals09…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, there is a haplotype test for dun. Has been for over a year.

No, that is not a typical Grullo foal, by Mini standards.......but, of course, that means little!!
If I had a foal born that colour I would expect it to be Red Dun, but I do know BH colours for Grullo foals are a lot different.

The Dun test is not an exact thing, then....but similar to the original Tobi test??

They are different, yes, but that's not typical for them by any means, this is:
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh24…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However, I will admit that his legs turned red before they went black (something I've been seeing ALOT of on grullas, ESPECIALLY those with cream... maybe even only those with cream):
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh24…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nope it's not. It's exactly like the original tobi test. I'm not sure what it's accuracy is in comparison to the old tobi test, but for some reason I think it's lower.

The old Tobi test was really only accurate with H/Z, IME.

This is a Grullo Mini foal....
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This is a known Buckskin, the only one I have bred recently...
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The difference is not immediately obvious, and I was surprised when the Buckskin turned out to be Buckskin.
Especially as she has now spotted out :rofl

It's only available to the stock breeds, some of the ponies, the Icelandics and Fjords, and the Pasos. UC Davis takes care to warn that the test is not direct and both photos and pedigree are required and also that it is not available to the Spanish breds - Andies, Lucies and such. I have seen one - and one only - grullo Andie I thought authentic. Who knows what is hiding beneath the grey, but the Spaniards prefer them that way.

Hey hey. Here are pics of Harley I just took today. He is a year and a half old! I think he's a grullo now that he's shed out. Kinda funky color thoughm please excuse the poor pics, they were taken with my phone and I had ten other horses swarming around me at the time.
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This is NOT my place, this is at the equine center at the college I go to. If Harley were at my house he'd be in a whole lot better shape than he is in the pictures.

Aren't cockleburs just wonderful?

He looks bay dun to me in those pics but it would be better if there was a side shot. These just don't show enough of his coloring.

[quote]I have seen one - and one only - grullo Andie I thought authentic.[/quote] Pics Maigray?

Millpark Andalusians - the stallion Mexicano - http://www.millpark-andalusians.com/ind…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very interesting he also has some suspicious looking foals. Especially the top one on this page.

http://www.millpark-andalusians.com/ind…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looks Bay Dun to me too.

[quote="Maigray"]Millpark Andalusians - the stallion Mexicano - http://www.millpark-andalusians.com/ind…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

He is interesting, most of the claimed duns in the spanish breeds I can't really see dun, but I can with him. So he'd test negative with the present dun test would he???

His coloring actually looks very much like classic champagne.

[quote]His coloring actually looks very much like classic champagne.[/quote]

Which horse?

The supposed grullo Andy.

He's coloring is not what I think of when I think of classic champagne. It's not chocolate enough. What about it reminds you of champagne?

Just wanted to add that I hope that question didn't come across as snotty. I'm just curious to know what you're seeing that I'm not.

Mind you different lighting situations, but:

Him:
http://www.millpark-andalusians.com/ima…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.millpark-andalusians.com/ima…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Classic:
http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/im…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sables:
http://www.horse-genetics.com/images/Ca…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.seaspiritoftheforest.co.uk/G…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The second photo of the Andy even shows a very pale sheath skin color.

I really wish the photos were larger or at least clearer.

Yes, from what i have seen of champers, some classics and sables can be VERY dark in colour and even look Grullo so it IS a possibility.

Ok, but do you see champagne in his offspring? I can see possible dun in a couple but not champagne.

[quote="indian"]
This is NOT my place, this is at the equine center at the college I go to. If Harley were at my house he'd be in a whole lot better shape than he is in the pictures.[/quote]

Can I send him some of my old flymasks? Sheesh! And....are those burrs in his mane? Poor thing! I guess it could be much worse, but ya....hard to look at.

Yes those are burrs in his forelock, mane AND tail. The flies were so horrid....I'v never seen flies so bad before.

More ,yes I said more, pictures of Harley. I'm thinking bay dun, he's registered as grullo though..he looks nothing like any grullo I've seen. Again, sire was red dun (saw him in person, collected this stud AND AI'd the dam of Harley with the red dun's semen) and the dam is grey (bade coat black I think) Harley's registered name is ATI Kings' Spark and here is the link to his pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ati+kin…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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He is pretty reddish.... but he is pretty bleached too.

Yeh, he could be a bleached Grullo