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What color is Bdb Fashion Design

rodeoratdogs April 23, 2010 February 22, 2011

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Ok I have another one for you, I just purchased this red dun Overo mare so will be sending her test in to animal genetics soon to see if she has frame but there is no test for Splash, and was talking to NZ Appaloosas on a different forum about her and we pretty much agree that she must have some form of Sabino. She does have a belly spot also you just cant see it in the pictures. [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/BDB%20FASHION%20D…] [img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/rodeoratdogs/BDB%20FASHION%20D…]

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 09:44

[quote="Jenks"]I love her face! Welcome!!![/quote]

Thankyou! We love her face too, it is interesting how the white cuts out around the mouth on both sides, isn't it?

Jenks Fri, 04/23/2010 - 09:52

It is! I've never seen it do that so much - I wonder if it's an exaggerated version of the black "frame" mustache? I can't wait to hear if she tests for frame. She has the pushed low front left sock, just like my frame mare.

rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 11:09

I would be surprized if she didn't test positive for frame, she has alot of it in her background, Hot Scotch Man, Barlink Macho Man who were both frame/splash, but she also gos back to Jetalito who was obviously some form of Sabino commonly called calico overo by paint horse breeders.

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rodeoratdogs Fri, 04/23/2010 - 11:53

[quote="Sara"]I think the ubiquitous sabino is a given here. You're new so you may not have seen the sabino scapegoat...
:sabino[/quote]

Whats a ubiquitous sabino? and What's with the many headed goat creature.....lol! :newbie

Sara Fri, 04/23/2010 - 12:13

haha, ubiquitous just means it's very widespread http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and the many headed goat was created by one of our members to show how what we call sabino can take many forms. Basically when a horse has white and we're guessing patterns, we tend to throw sabino in just for funsies because it's probably there.

Jenks Fri, 04/23/2010 - 20:39

:rofl

Maybe we should - still rolling btw - add a definition or link to the explanation somewhere? Oh, my sides....I'm so used to the goat, I did not even think about it....

Heather Sat, 04/24/2010 - 06:29

Barlink macho man was jsut splash I think..

This one slooks like frame to me, I still think those big side of the mouth blotches are a red flag for frame ..there are on tons of them ..

Danni Sat, 04/24/2010 - 17:06

[quote="Jenks"]I wonder if it's an exaggerated version of the black "frame" mustache? I can't wait to hear if she tests for frame.[/quote]

[quote="Heather"]This one slooks like frame to me, I still think those big side of the mouth blotches are a red flag for frame ..there are on tons of them ..[/quote]

I personally think those red mouth blotches are classic splash characteristics (as are the black "frame" moustaches). It's too common in non frame breeds to be otherwise. This mare may or may not have frame, but she's certainly splash!!!

Jenks Sat, 04/24/2010 - 17:17

[quote="Danni"][quote="Jenks"]I wonder if it's an exaggerated version of the black "frame" mustache? I can't wait to hear if she tests for frame.[/quote]

[quote="Heather"]This one slooks like frame to me, I still think those big side of the mouth blotches are a red flag for frame ..there are on tons of them ..[/quote]

I personally think those red mouth blotches are classic splash characteristics (as are the black "frame" moustaches). It's too common in non frame breeds to be otherwise. This mare may or may not have frame, but she's certainly splash!!![/quote]

Ya, true that we've seen a smaller degree of it without frame....I will start keeping track. Do we have a list going yet with a mustache testing negative for frame?

rodeoratdogs Sat, 04/24/2010 - 17:42

[quote="Danni"][quote="Jenks"]I wonder if it's an exaggerated version of the black "frame" mustache? I can't wait to hear if she tests for frame.[/quote]

[quote="Heather"]This one slooks like frame to me, I still think those big side of the mouth blotches are a red flag for frame ..there are on tons of them ..[/quote]

I personally think those red mouth blotches are classic splash characteristics (as are the black "frame" moustaches). It's too common in non frame breeds to be otherwise. This mare may or may not have frame, but she's certainly splash!!![/quote]

I agree she may be frame but definately splash the one right front sock looks as if its been dipped in paint(splash) as well.
The two back socks with the inverted V (sabino) Maybe the solid leg is her frame leg.....lol.

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Heather Sat, 04/24/2010 - 19:52

Once again I think its frame trying to take away typical splash drop off the side white just like its does the legs... its a center move out white pattern a frame and supress the outer limits kinda thing... lol I know there are some others that are suppose to be neg for frame and have the mouth spot, but some patterns can mimic others as we know and be tricky, i still think that is a frame flag...not everytime either as we know splash can win the battle and wipe it away too so there is no side mouth splotch, but still when i see it, i think frame to often a high percent of frames have it. JMO

Danni Sat, 04/24/2010 - 21:09

[quote="Heather"]but still when i see it, i think frame to often a high percent of frames have it. JMO[/quote]

I think they are just frame that also have splash. Seriously the moustache thing is VERY common in the Gypsy Cobs and they aren't frame. I could find literally a hundred examples.

I wonder though if it's the sabino interaction as much as anything too, I mean something wants white there, and something else doesn't. I don't think it's tobiano/splash or I'd see it in the shetlands, so I'd assume sabino/splash interact someway for that to happen.

I do understand WHY you think it's frame, I just happen to disagree. I first became familiar with the marking not in paint breeds, so I guess influenced that way.

critterkeeper Mon, 04/26/2010 - 18:14

The "frame" mustashe is that black upper lip patch on a horse, no matter the coat color. Most of the horses are splashy, but not all, and the 'stashes often tend to slide off to one side of the face like some blazes do.

The funny thing about frame is that it can be present on a "solid" horse just as it can a pinto patterned one...we've seen some prime examples on this site. Which is the reason I test EVERY horse - no matter what its bloodlines.

rodeoratdogs Mon, 04/26/2010 - 19:14

I think I know what you talking about, my 2 mares know have frame are prodominantly white but they each have a black spot or two on their lips. I just got this mares papers back today so now that she is in my name I will send her test in. I dont plan on breeding her anytime soon but I just want to have a record of it, whether she is or she isn't. That being said I just thought she was a interesting topic since her facial markings are kind of different and she obviously has got some other patterns going on as well.

rodeoratdogs Mon, 04/26/2010 - 23:04

Hey acc, once again thankyou for coming up with some good examples for me. Now on my mares that are both nT/nO they have mostly white faces, would be considered medicine hat. They have pink lips but each have one or two small spots right in the muzzle lips, is that a very limited expression of the frame moustache?

Danni Mon, 04/26/2010 - 23:18

This horse is snoozing so makes a bit hard to see, but the first one I found in my pics to hand, but I think this is what they call the frame moustache? This horse isn't frame though.

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2409/252…]

Another one I just found, I think this is what you call a frame moustache?? Another non frame though. I think it's the same thing as the eyeliner also seen here.

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2321/251…]

accphotography Mon, 04/26/2010 - 23:23

Rodeo: "Medicine hat" is merely a phenotypical description and would depend on their appearance regardless of their genotype. The small spots on the lips, especially if they are round, is actually credited to splash instead.

Danni: Definitely.