Rdo Faserrs Fury

He's heavily linebred to horse named Nazeer overall - nearly all of the lines in his pedigree go back to him. That is typical for horses of straight Egyptian breeding. Nazeer was a stallion in Egypt who became world famous through his offspring, which were exported worldwide. Morafic, Talal, Alaa El Din and horses carrying the "Ansata" prefix through his son, Ansata Ibn Halima, were all famous sires in their time. This is termed "new" Egyptian breeding. Old Egyptian breeding refers to horses tracing to Egypt from older sources. He is also inbred to a horse named Fadl on his sire's line, an "old" Egyptian horse who you will almost always find in the pedigrees of black Arabians. His pedigree indicates he was bred to be black, as well as to be a "tightly" bred horse of the Egyptian lines, both of which will appeal to a certain market segment.

Thanks, I like studing and learning about pedigrees. His owner also did say he was HZ black.

I was just going to remark on the Nazeer connection! That will give you that chiselled, but still masculine, look, nine times out of ten!
Nice boy, what about the rest of the horse?

I can see if she will send me another pic or let me take one, she sent me that one for me to ad to the pedigree on allbreed.

EDIT: never mind, I found a website that is advertizing him, he is not their horse though, they must be advertizing for my neighbor Gina, but Seabeck is near here also. Here are some pics of him and a video.

http://www.judahaliarabians.com/id118.h…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow!!! He's stunning! I'd love to see what he'd throw against some of Nancy's mares. I'll dig for the link and show you one of her lovelies. I think she's been having a hard time breeding though. Maybe because of so much inbreeding? Her horses are healthy as can be but they keep either not getting in foal at all, or not carrying to term.

Eta: http://antaraegyptians.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know right? I dont know that much about Arabs, but when I meet a horse and can't stop staring, I figure they are pretty special. I know His owner isn't covering any of her own mares right now though, just because the markets bad right now.

EDIT: I didn't see the link at first, is that a friend of yours? I know my neighbor only does live cover though.

Yeah. Not a close friend, but I did get to hang out with her and meet her horses and such. She's super sweet. She makes custom presentation tack, too! I love it because she uses items from the heirloom Jewelery she inherited from her mother, and can incorporate jewlary from her customers as well. http://heirloomarabianhalters.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Neat, I love those blingy Arab costumes, nice touch to ad her mothers jewelry too.

Peacock feather one is awesome!

He is nice, but he is just a bit "pony" for me...very pretty and a nice mover in spite of his short neck.
I imagine he would give a much nicer ride than some of these gangly things with their legs hanging off the front of their body!
I was looking at the Arab News magazine (AHS, in the UK) yesterday, and I could weep looking at what those imports are doing to our Arabs!

I love your descriptions Rabbit :rofl I'm try to picture a skinny Arab with legs dangling out of its front...lol. What do you mean by "pony" is that because of his neck being shorter or just a look you are talking about. Myself I like the thicker Arabs but that might be because I am a QH person, but not neccesarily because I do like those old paintings of TB's that look like greyhounds.

Despite all the lines to Nazeer, I think he strongly resembles the Fadl portion of his heritage. I think Nazeer added the type. Fadl was imported from Egypt in the 1930s by Henry Babson. Preservation breeders today still breed "Babson" horses. They tend to be good movers, chunky looking, big bodied, and not very "typey" by modern standards. Here is a black son of Fadl, Fa Serr. Fa Serr was one of the sources of "black" back in his pedigree.

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Nazeer was known for having rather poor conformation, but lots of type, speed, and nobility, which he passed on. Look at him, and his sons, Alaa El Din and Ansata Ibn Halima. They had the slim, gangly look of racers, and the "gazelle" refinement more favored in modern lines.

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The Fadl son is more like the sorts of Arab I rode when I lived in the Middle East, with the exception of one horse in Egypt. The bleachy chestnut reminds me of that horse.

Diane

*-:) Yep! Fadl, that's the ones I like. When I was young the Cantwells who had a local arena where I showed my horses, owned a son of Fidl Fadl. They bought him from the Babsons. My friend Virginia used to video tape everything back then and she still has a video of him. I just watched it with her not that long ago. Gosh Mrs. Cantwell is still around, I should get a pic of him from her to ad to his pedigree on allbreeds. Here is pedigree, he was a great looking horse and a very popular stallion around here.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fad3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A photo would be lovely! I'm sure there are few, if any, around. Henry Babson himself crossed his "old" Egyptian stock with the "new" Egyptian imports, and Egyptian lines without Nazeer blood are very rare now. Fadl and Nazeer were related, if distantly, but both were bred in Egypt. Some of the source stock is the same. Fadl and his sons were very popular in their day, but their influence has long since waned. Nazeer, on the other hand,
had offspring who created multiple dynasties around the world which are still dominating the breed now.

I'll have to see what I can find. I also thought I might try to figure out a way to take the video clip of him and post it to you tube or somthing. Virginia had it on an old reel to reel but she had it made into a dvd. I know Mrs. Cantwell is in her 90's and I haven't visited her for a long time, but she must have some pics. Virginia knows her son too. I also had a friend for years that had a filly and grand filly by him and she had a picture of him, I've been trying to find her lately because we lost touch.
Funny thing is, is that I thought or everyone always said that the Cantwells stallion was Fidl Fadl, but maybe they were referring to his sire, but he did look just like Fidl Fadl.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fidl+fa…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I definately like the Fadl looking horses much more than the Nazeer ones. Nazeer was not a attractive horse whatsoever IMO, but studying a bit on allbreeds he had some nice get like Talal, he was a nice looking horse.

If the video has been put on dvd it should be very easy to copy it. It won't be encrypted like commercial dvds so there is free software out there to do it. I usually use Linux based programs for stuff like this so I'm not sure exactly what is available for windows but you can google it. If you have trouble you can always make a copy with free program called http://infrarecorder.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and send the copy to me. I'd be happy to help you out with it.

That would be great! I'll pay a visit to my friend Virginia soon and borrow the dvd, thanks Daylene :)

Maigray, how was Moniet El Nefous bred?? My mind has gone blank....

Nothing new there, then :booty

Oh gosh...think similar to Fadl?

Found it on All Breed and checked across some other websites, it seems accurate: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/moniet+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Honestly, though, I think the history is kind of fascinating, but both Fadl and Nazeer are so far back in the pedigree, they don't really matter - EXCEPT this horse is very inbred. When that happens, it should magnify all the strengths and weaknesses in the line. That's why you linebreed, right? I think this horse looks like his Fadl ancestry, which is impressive considering how much more Nazeer there is in him. So I would presume when he is bred, he should be both consistent and dominant in reproducing his look, because that is what he is bred to do.

I don't mean to say the Fadl lines are gone either. They're actually really well spread out in modern horses. But unless you specifically (in)beed for it, his kind of look doesn't happen anymore. This is a modern day Fadl descendent...

Photo by Susan McAdoo:
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No, not my type at all....that shoulder is one of the reasons Arabs got a reputation for being hard to fit with a saddle! All mine have just worn saddles...no problem, but you would need a cut back head of the extreme for this one.
And I prefer the legs further under the horse, although this is not as extreme as some American horses.

Thanks for the MEN pedigree, I can never really remember it as the bloodlines are just not common over here, but the horse was exquisite, although Ibn MEN is the one I really remember- probably the first American Arab I really liked!

The one above doesn't remind me of the Fadl horse I remember, he actually reminded me more of a Welsh cob, is that what you mean by "pony" Rabbit?

Who, the chestnut I posted? That's the stallion AO Breeze, the jumper. He's not hard to fit for a saddle. This is the one I posted about in the "Changes" and the "Learning to Jump" thread - http://forum.equine-color.info/viewtopi…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://forum.equine-color.info/viewtopi…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny though, his owner also owns another Arabian stallion named RB Cavalier, and he's like a mirror image in pedigree of Faserrs Fury. He's mostly old Egyptian inbred to Fadl, with a little bit of Nazeer. You can really tell the difference. This is him...

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So both Fadl descendents, but Cavalier was inbred specifically to old Babson lines. Breeze was bred for nothing of the sort, he's a complete outcross, and he's actually got more than one line to Fadl himself. I think he's doubled on it through his dam line. In fact, he's doubled up on Nazeer too, through his sire line. But it doesn't make one bit of difference, you can't tell at all, and he looks nothing like them.

Oh the do look alike Cavalier and Fury, very much so.

The Cantwells stallion was built like this one, his grand sire, but he was chestnut.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ibn+fadl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are just some more that I really like....

This one always caught my eye, he was in my little mare's pedigree as well.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/abu+far…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like him...http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rabab2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

who's this gorgeous gal? and her sire is to die for.....
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rabiyat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and always thought he was magnificent even though he doesn't have that thicker look, I noticed he does go back to Fadl.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/khemosa…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, outside of "straight Egyptian" preservation breeding, I'm pretty sure Khemosabi is the main source of Fadl in most modern pedigrees. He was wildly popular, probably the most popular stallion in the last 50 years, and sired a huge amount of offspring. The dam of AO Breeze was double Khemosabi and that's how he comes to be "double" Fadl, so to speak. But there's not much resemblance. Khemo is actually the source of most modern "sabino" breeding too. And his descendent, R Khasper (the "KH" is the giveaway) is also the source of the dominant white line.

I knew I shouldn't have clicked on the link.... It's like showing and addict their drug of choice. Now I must go distract myself.

Hi Dam was double bred this stallion a Fadl son that I think is probably a very good example of what I really like. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fadheil…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Funny thing is, is that I didn't know I was attracted to a certain line or type. I'm learning a lot, thank you.
Did Khemosabi ever produce anything as good as himself? I mean he was pretty "perfect", a hard act to fallow.
Another thing that always impressed me about him is how good he looked into old age, but that is a arab strong point in general I think. I remember a magazine I had from maybe 15 years ago or so and he was pictured at 22, he didn't look a day past 12.

Oh I have another to share, I used to live in Seabeck where this stallion is from. I just checked to see if he was Fadl bred because I like him and sure enough, the pinto side go's back to a QH . I noticed he was up for sale so I called his owner and chatted with her for awhile ( she used to be my neighbor there). She said no big push to sell him really. She had his full sister that is doing really well at the Pinto shows now. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mjd+cue…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and here is her website with more pics of him

http://mjdarabianpintos.com/stallion.ht…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[quote="Maigray"]I don't mean to say the Fadl lines are gone either. They're actually really well spread out in modern horses. But unless you specifically (in)beed for it, his kind of look doesn't happen anymore. This is a modern day Fadl descendent...

Photo by Susan McAdoo:
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I don't like that arab at all, looks almost a bit like a saddlebred?

You've seen him, I've put him up here before in other threads. He does seem to have an almost chameleon like quality in photos, to the point people will not recognize him between one shoot to the next. I actually like this photo of him, but I guess he's not particularly recognizable in it. He is very upright, and I've used him as an example of a horse with a lot of "bone," a quality which is very difficult to pick up on in his photos because he is so refined. He's got an 8" cannon, on a 15hh frame, well over the requirement for, say, warmblood stallions at inspection, who are at [i]least[/i] a hand taller. He's a descendent of Raffles, Nazeer, Fadl and Khemosabi...

Here he is clearing 4' and change..
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Leaping in a winter coat..That's Cavalier across the fence!
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Presented in-hand at a sport horse competition as a youngster.
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*edited to add - oops, sorry, wrong photo on the last. I changed it now.