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Hey Fizz?

Jenks May 19, 2010 February 22, 2011

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Looking for your type arab. Would it be something like this? Old style? [img]http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv309/Hijenks/EchoBey.jpg[/img] Or?

Krickette Wed, 05/19/2010 - 15:51

mmmm, that's gorgeous!
not a huge fan of the neck in this pic but i'm sure at a normal position it would be better

Danni Thu, 05/20/2010 - 01:37

I like that better, still a little flat over the croup for me. I like these old style arabs more, not very good pictures though. Caleb has progeny in Oz that are gorgeous. I've seen some lovely pictures of him just out mustering, can only find this one right now though :love

[img]http://hyksosarabians.com/images/CalebW…]

http://www.kdarabians.co.nz/stallions.h…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sindh and many of his foals were my all time favourite arabs

http://victoriancrabbetarabiangroup.web…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://victoriancrabbetarabiangroup.web…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

lipigirl Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:21

I suspect Danni is closer to what Fizz would like but lets wait and see....

Jenks Thu, 05/20/2010 - 08:54

OMG. I can't even see Manak's build, but I like I like

My dream stallion lives over there.....he's been my dream for a long time. The one I'm buying if I hit the lottery? Let me find him....

rabbitsfizz Thu, 05/20/2010 - 10:46

Chestnut is not my cup of tea at all!
I like the bay under saddle, I don't like the halter horse.
I prefer my Arabs to actually be able to [i]do[/i] something, mine had to earn their keep as riding horses and still be able to go in the ring and win....I cannot for the life of me understand why people have horses half out of their minds with drugs, and win win win in halter then they are never heard of again!
Look back, Mini people, on the grand champion at the "world" show, and tell me how many form the last ten years are prominent in the pedigrees today.
What is the sense of that?

Jenks Thu, 05/20/2010 - 12:37

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Chestnut is not my cup of tea at all!
I like the bay under saddle, I don't like the halter horse.
I prefer my Arabs to actually be able to [i]do[/i] something, mine had to earn their keep as riding horses and still be able to go in the ring and win....I cannot for the life of me understand why people have horses half out of their minds with drugs, and win win win in halter then they are never heard of again!
Look back, Mini people, on the grand champion at the "world" show, and tell me how many form the last ten years are prominent in the pedigrees today.
What is the sense of that?[/quote]

You would probably die then as that is not what's in the halter ring today here. Nothing remotely like it. The top pic is what I think of when I read the description of an Arab. SHORT stature, SHORT back, long hip, flat croup. But they don't exist anymore. Nothing like that. You've seen the fad now I'm sure.

Ya Heidi - and look at the right side of his face too. He could very well be a disaster, but....

So, old style in the UK? I think of the crabbett stud. ?

Sara Thu, 05/20/2010 - 14:13

Really? They're supposed to have a flat croup? *blinks* That has always been my [i]least[/i] favorite thing about Arabs but I honestly thought that was part of the fad as well.

Once upon a time Jane saw a photo of my Ginny (Excyting) and said if she rode again she would ride a horse like that :mrgreen:

accphotography Thu, 05/20/2010 - 14:18

I'm not a fad type person, but those in the links Danni posted don't look like Arabs to me. I wouldn't know WHAT they were.

The first one posted is gorgeous and I can think of no reason he wouldn't be fine under saddle (unlike the QH/PH halter horses).

I like the flat croups.

Jenks Thu, 05/20/2010 - 14:34

[quote="Sara"]Really? They're supposed to have a flat croup? *blinks* That has always been my [i]least[/i] favorite thing about Arabs but I honestly thought that was part of the fad as well.

Once upon a time Jane saw a photo of my Ginny (Excyting) and said if she rode again she would ride a horse like that :mrgreen:[/quote]

Nooo. They are supposed to have flat croups. That is why they *used* to not be good for jumping! But now? They stretch them all out and they are really only flat when standing on their tippy toes striking the "pose". And they shortened the hips. Their whole back ends are now narrow and teeny it seems. I mean , not all, but that first one? That is the exact outline of the standard, perhaps though with an even shorter back.

Jenks Thu, 05/20/2010 - 14:44

[quote="Sara"]Really? They're supposed to have a flat croup? *blinks* That has always been my [i]least[/i] favorite thing about Arabs but I honestly thought that was part of the fad as well.

Once upon a time Jane saw a photo of my Ginny (Excyting) and said if she rode again she would ride a horse like that :mrgreen:[/quote]

Ya, they are more versatile - and I don't have any problem with it - but truly, the arabian standard calls for a flat croup. And you see how they got around it by posing them in a way that makes them flatter. Any who. I just came across that old pic of Echo Bey and wondered if "old" style - which is what that guy was - was what she was talking about.

It's not really that it's flat flat, but the tail is highset and they are so short backed....or were. Honestly arabians do not look like that anymore.

accphotography Thu, 05/20/2010 - 14:55

I dunno... pretty significant number of major hunters have flat croups (albeit with a lower tail set).

Krickette Thu, 05/20/2010 - 15:15

My Nike still has a very short back. If I ride him western I have to use a barrel pad, anything else just swallows him.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-s…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-s…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mi+khe+…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Come to think of it, he has a relatively flat croup, too. You just usually can't tell cause he's morbidly obese. Those pictures were from like the best shape he's been in in 15 years haha! He's such an easy keeper >.<
this was taken like right before he got in shape, you can see his bubble butt:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-s…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(the one on the right is my friend's QH)
I need to get him in shape again....

Here's an old style arab:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-s…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
mostly cause she's ancient. for some reason I have written that she's 37, lol, but I'm sure I meant to put 27.

Danni Thu, 05/20/2010 - 15:20

[quote="Jenks"][quote="Sara"]Really? They're supposed to have a flat croup? *blinks* That has always been my [i]least[/i] favorite thing about Arabs but I honestly thought that was part of the fad as well.:[/quote]

Nooo. They are supposed to have flat croups.[/quote]

Arabs have a flatter croup than most breeds, but like everything it seems to have been taken to extremes. I love that Roberto, and many others of that line. Granted he'd probably look quite different all stretched out on his tippy toes, I've no idea why that trend started but it looks ridiculous.

[img]http://victoriancrabbetarabiangroup.web…]

Those old colonial blood ones are certainly a little plain compared to arabs today. But then most arabs today have gone to some extreme version of a massive strange looking dished head. Lots of the old colonial ones are very useful though. I don't think the crabbets are plain, I think most have stunning heads. But they do usually have more riding style conformation, not so flat over the croup etc... I don't like all the old colonial ones, but that bay mustering and many horses he's sired I've loved. And I love a very large proportion of the crabbets.

But because the trend is to show arabs in that way now, it's a breed I stay well clear of, although loved them when I was young.

Danni Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:04

Oh the crabbets I mentioned, like Sindh and Roberto, they are around in my lifetime, and I'm not that old :P Photos are just old.

lipigirl Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:39

[quote="Jenks"]True the Americans have to exaggerate to the extreme. The pose can do it alone.

I think of Mirage : http://cmkarabians.com/img/MirageCMK89…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I guess though maybe I really have only followed the crabbet line a bit.

http://www.ssfpintos.com/ibrahimDB-vi.j…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

That's the sort of Arab iI grew up with and neither i note, has a flat croup !

Danni Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:42

I guess the egyptian arabs always had a bit flatter croups, and that became the more popular style?

Krickette Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:46

[quote="Jenks"][quote="Krickette"]http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nuhra
wow
they've changed a lot[/quote]

I wouldn't call that change. I'd call it an old mare who's starving.[/quote]
Well, yes, but you can see her bone structure, and it looks awfully different from now.

Krickette Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:50

[quote="lipigirl"]i like some of the stallions at this UK stud they look fit to work -

http://www.pearlislandarabians.co.uk/al…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]
Wow. If you hadn't said that was an arabian I'd never have guessed. The jumping pic is the only one that makes him look slightly Arabian, but again, if I hadn't known, I wouldn't have guessed. He's beautiful, don't get me wrong, but...

eta, just saw the pic where he is flagged and headed towards camera, which is fairly obvious, but you get my point

Danni Thu, 05/20/2010 - 16:51

Look like an arab to me! He does have a strong masculine head though.

accphotography Thu, 05/20/2010 - 18:02

[quote="Krickette"][quote="lipigirl"]i like some of the stallions at this UK stud they look fit to work -

http://www.pearlislandarabians.co.uk/al…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]
Wow. If you hadn't said that was an arabian I'd never have guessed. The jumping pic is the only one that makes him look slightly Arabian, but again, if I hadn't known, I wouldn't have guessed. He's beautiful, don't get me wrong, but...

eta, just saw the pic where he is flagged and headed towards camera, which is fairly obvious, but you get my point[/quote]

Agreed.

rabbitsfizz Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:09

No, those are [i]proper[/i] Arabs, not animals you want to keep in a glass case, and feel you have to bung full of steroids in order to win a halter class. :rofl
A long time ago, well before such things became fashionable, we had a Sheik who bred Arabs (can't remember who) over to judge the stallion class at the Nationals and he threw everyone for a loop by putting a horse in racing condition and with less than fashionable pedigree first. when asked why he said "Because in Arabia we have this quaint old tradition. We like to [i]ride[/i] our horses, not eat them, and that is the only horse in the class that could be safely ridden and has correct conformation." Luckily a number of people actually took note of what he said, and so, I say to you, "In the UK we like to ride our Arabs, not just fit them for the double decker" If they are only good for the halter ring, like the show type QHs on the whole, what happens when they either are not good enough for the halter ring, or fail??

Jenks Fri, 05/21/2010 - 07:14

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]No, those are [i]proper[/i] Arabs, not animals you want to keep in a glass case, and feel you have to bung full of steroids in order to win a halter class. :rofl
A long time ago, well before such things became fashionable, we had a Sheik who bred Arabs (can't remember who) over to judge the stallion class at the Nationals and he threw everyone for a loop by putting a horse in racing condition and with less than fashionable pedigree first. when asked why he said "Because in Arabia we have this quaint old tradition. We like to [i]ride[/i] our horses, not eat them, and that is the only horse in the class that could be safely ridden and has correct conformation." Luckily a number of people actually took note of what he said, and so, I say to you, "In the UK we like to ride our Arabs, not just fit them for the double decker" If they are only good for the halter ring, like the show type QHs on the whole, what happens when they either are not good enough for the halter ring, or fail??[/quote]

Boy the big hairs would fall over were that to happen now! LOL

rabbitsfizz Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:40

Well, to be honest, a lot of people were less than happy way back when, but it is so, so true!
An Arab is supposed to be refined, beautiful, around 14.2hh (give or take a hand) and HAVE A BRAIN!!!
The last one is absolutely essential.
Arabs [i]were[/i] just about the most intelligent breed ever known, are, arguably, the oldest domestic breed of horse, and should not be reduced to [i]toys[/i].
If you cannot get on it and ride it, properly, and take it round, in safety a course of at least three foot (Amira once jumped a four foot six course to win for the girls pony club team, and she was 14.2 hh.) then, quite frankly, what good is it?
Everything has to be more and more extreme these days, and I hate it.
It makes a really sound, strong, intelligent breed into a mockery.