Go and look at FHOTD's post for today.....

http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ugh. In *both* of her examples ([i]the b/w -> bay and the dun[/i]) I see an awful lot of dead, dry hair that *will* make a horse appear a different color, nevermind the awful photos that I feel aren't a true representation of color anyways, especially taking into account the differences in everyone's monitors. As for her 'ripping' the dun for the owners' explaining about her interesting color changes...they are just that...interesting color changes that some duns go through seasonally. As a selling-point in an ad...certainly not crucial information...but interesting.
Perhaps Fugly should have just complained about what was *really* getting her goat: poorly worded and descriptive ads of for sale horses.

I think she needs a dose of her own medicine: [i]"Unless you color test, you don't know exactly what you have..."[/i] Unless *SHE* color tests...*SHE* doesn't know, either.
And that's the facts, Jack.

Heidi that is a very good way of putting it...go post it!!!!

I did see her post and just rolled my eyes... I agree it is entirely possible for either of those horses to be what the sellers say they are.

I love what she does for rescue and I think some of her posts are very educational but I wish she would steer clear of color. She doesn't have a good understanding of it and pretty much anyone who mentions color in their ads or breeding programs is labeled there as a Krazy Kolor Breeder and gets ripped apart. I rarely read the comments any more but once when someone did try to educate the posters about color and the genetics behind them, the regulars just started calling it Krazy Kolor Genetiks and ripped apart the research programs that work on this for doing "pointless and unnecessary research".

[quote="Sara"]...once when someone did try to educate the posters about color and the genetics behind them, the regulars just started calling it Krazy Kolor Genetiks and ripped apart the research programs that work on this for doing "pointless and unnecessary research".[/quote]

My health is not worth the aggravation of trying to teach a pig to sing. I'll only get hoarse and annoy the pig, while the pig will *never* sing.

Now, the old addage: "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink." ...if I could change that to "[i]I can lead a horse to water and if I hold their head under long enough, they *will* drink.[/i]" was possible, then yes, I would certainly enjoy trying to explain to her the errors of her theory! :mrgreen:

It just isn't worth it to be "witch-hunted" by her posse. And I don't have enough hands to hold them all underwater until they take a drink.

You're right. Her posse is worse than she is.

(We agree again RF....I think the world may be ending!!)

Here are some more pictures of the red dun/grulla.

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ok she has no idea about horse colours! :roll:

Grullas can turn some pretty wierd shades as they fade and the tail hairs look like bleached black "red" instead of red based to me, I'm kind of on the fence with that one but the black colt definitly looks black :roll: Chase fades to nearly the same horrid shade when his winter coat gets old (and he gets kind of brownish in the middle of summer as well). he's just a fading black.

I think the black is possibly a faded black, or he's lost his black coat from a lack of good nutrition (perhaps before she got him).

I can see how the owner thinks the dun is a grulla. She could very well have gone through varying colour changes and I think Cathy is whinging at something that doesn't justify it. I wish she'd just stick with high lighting good horse care and breeding.

~I saw her post about cycling helmets not being ok to ride in because they only are designed to give you protection from a fall off a bike...............my hubby is a racing cycling fanatic and I told him that my new trail hat was not very good because it was made out of the same polystyrine type stuff that cycle helmets are made off...........he corrected me, they are designed to protect you from a head on collition with a car..............hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm me thinks old FHOTD might have to retract her comments a bit then. ;)

Edited to add - yes I know they are not ideal but cycling helmets could actually still save your life if you fell off a horse !

It is also because biking helmets do not cover the same areas of the head that riding helmets do. A riding helmet, ideally, should be replaced after EVERY fall, because it will weaken the structure,even by a minute amount, and the helmet may fail in the next instance. Now, in the real world, people almost never do this, but professionals probably do because they know the risks.

I do not allow my students to ride in cycling helmets. They leave the whole back of the head exposed to a kick. Also riding helmets are designed to hold up to both blunt and sharp collisions but cycling helmets are only tested on blunt objects. When cycling, you're most likely going to hit your head on a curb or pavement. With riding, you have to add the possibility of being kicked in the head. Cathy is correct on this one.

I know they do not cover as much head as the riding helmets and in thay way I agree with you and Cathy but, a head on collition with a car is going to be bad whichever way you look at it and if they can stand up to that they can't be that bad !!........doesnt mean I'd use one but I would consider putting one on Brianna whilst I held her on the pony's back and the pony was lead along, just because she is still too small for a riding one but I want extra protection for her.

Apologies for upcoming bluntness! Do not read further if you are easily offended.

IMO, the only thing a cycling helmet does for a head-on collision with a car...[i]is allow an open casket funeral because the head remained intact.[/i] I have the same opinion with motorcycle helmets.

...however...in Lipi's case for Bri/pony where someone is leading the pony and someone holding Bri...I don't see much to be very worried about. I *cannot* imagine a concerned parent ever letting go of their baby/child while it is on a pony/horse, even if it is quiet and being led.

Heidi :laugh1 ....that is one way of putting it !!! I am a safety freak so would rather she had that little bit more protection. I still find it amazing how few Americans wear riding helmets and the pictures of small kids barrel racing without them is mad IMO !!!! I want to show Canela this summer so ideally I should just wear a Paso Fino felt type hat but now I have Bri I can't risk it and will wear a riding helmet.

I am pretty sure you can get a combination thing...I have seen some western riders wearing them, I think???
I never wore a hat when I was a kid, and I had my fair share of falls, a few of them serious and a couple involving my head and resultant concussion.
Funnily enough I never even considered getting on my motorbike without a helmet (this was before the laws came in)
When the kids came along though, I did get a hat, not a helmet as they did not exist then, but I insisted the kids always wore a hat, whenever they were on a horse, so I had to, as well, (or I got shouted at, you can bet!!)
I am now thinking about what I will wear when driving on the road...so, would you suggest a bike helmet for that, or a riding helmet???

When I drove out on the road or anywhere really I used to use a riding helmet - jockey skull type as more people die each year in carriage driving accidents then on horseback mainly because more people are involved in each accident and if the cart flips you'll need it !

Edited to add - what combination hat ???? want one !

I'll have a look around and see if I can find an ad.
http://www.troxelhelmets.com/images/hel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is it, you will have to order it form the US, though as it does not have the "kite " mark !!!
UGH.
Still it seems to come up to par as far as I can see.

http://www.troxelhelmets.com/products/f…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry, this is the site!!!

I have to admit, I no longer go visit FUGLY as much as I used to because I got tired of all the tripe that was being spouted as fact... shivering at the thought.

Oh and here is another one she ripped into - last post before "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" at the bottom of the page. So, does anyone have any info on this mare?

http://www.shatormararabians.com/rwrson…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The link to the video (which has been removed btw) has her listed as a sabino Arab and not tobiano...and we have all seen some strange splash/sabino combo patterns, so.....

Yes, she's been brought up before. There are ongoing threads on her on some of the Arabian forums. Fugly is pretty spot on with it.

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I'll have a look around and see if I can find an ad.
http://www.troxelhelmets.com/images/hel…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is it, you will have to order it form the US, though as it does not have the "kite " mark !!!
UGH.
Still it seems to come up to par as far as I can see.

http://www.troxelhelmets.com/products/f…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sorry, this is the site!!![/quote]

Wow thanks for that - that would be great !! anyone tried one of these?

[quote="critterkeeper"]we have all seen some strange splash/sabino combo patterns[/quote]
There is tons more to the story that she left out, but she is correct.

And if it IS just a "splash/sabino combo" I will eat my computer.