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DTC Genetic Testing

This subject has come up a lot recently in my social and academic circles and I was wondering what your perspective would be as a group of people who have knowledge of genetics and genetic testing in particular. The issue is direct-to-consumer (DTC) genetic testing. Several companies offer a broad variety of genetic testing services where you send them your own DNA sample and they do a bunch of tests on it and tell you some stuff about yourself that you may or may not already know, that may or may not be useful: (I've listed a couple major ones so you can check them out, I do not mean to slight the ones I have omitted) [url=https://www.23andme.com/]23andMe[/url] [url=http://www.biomarkerinc.com/]BioMarker Pharmaceuticals[/url] [url=http://www.decode.com/]deCODE Genetics[/url] [url=http://www.navigenics.com/]Navigenics[/url] [url=http://www.pathway.com/]Pathway Genomics[/url] Take [url=https://www.23andme.com/]23andMe[/url] as an example. For a one-time fee of $500, you drool in a tube and send it off, they run it on the MotherOfAll SNP chips and test for something like 580,000 single nucleotide polymorphisms. This chip is designed to test a bunch of things where we're pretty confident about the link between the SNP and the outcome (for example, major cystic fibrosis mutations, certain SNPs in BRCA1 and BRCA 2, sickle-cell anemia, etc) as well as SNPs that might only slightly change your risk for developing a certain condition or trait (you can see their whole list [url=https://www.23andme.com/health/all/]here[/url]). They can also trace your ancestry by seeing what major populations your DNA seems to be derived from, and test where your tail-female or tail-male (if you happen to have Y-chromosome which I don't) lines come from. If you opt in, they can also compare you to other 23andMe customers and give you a heads up if they find someone who's statistically likely to be your 4th cousin however-many times removed (you don't know anything about them except the fact that they exist and maybe their gender; you then have the option of trying to initiate contact). They also tests for a bunch of SNPs that researchers think might be important (that's why the number is ~580,000), and as scientific reports are published, they decide whether those reports are BS or credible and send you updates about your carrier status for free as new information comes to light. Anyways. There are some ethical issues associated with this. There are privacy/discrimination issues, but in fact doing a test DTC is probably more private than going through your medical care provider, as you're the only one who knows the results, and at least in the US the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 is supposed to make discrimination on the basis of genetic information illegal. Another ethical concern has to do with information which ends up being revealed that you might not want to have known. For example, you could find out that your father is not your biological father. This could have a pretty huge impact on your life. Another issue is one of regulation. Clinical tests are only supposed to be run under the suggestion and guidance of a physician. The state of New York, for example, has ruled that genetic testing has to be done with a permit and must be ordered by a licensed physician, so you effectively can't do DTC genetic testing in NY. In early May, Pathway Genomics was going to start marketing their kit (read: box containing empty tube the consumer drools in then sends off) on the shelf at Walgreens. The FDA sent them a cease-and-desist letter effectively saying "we think this kit is a medical device, the FDA is supposed to regulate medical devices, we can't find any records of us giving you permission to market this medical device, please stop selling it or explain to us why you don't think you need to be regulated." Walgreens decided not to put the kit on its shelves. The other main ethical concern, and the one I would like to focus on, has to do with whether the customer can understand what the tests mean. Most of these tests only tell you that you have a slightly higher or lower than average chance of developing some condition (maybe, if you're caucasian and the stars align), so the worry is that people will misinterpret the results of the tests and make inappropriate decisions as a result. The major companies bend over backwards to try to make sure the consumer is educated about this and they make all sorts of pretty graphics to illustrate what the average risk is versus your estimated risk, etc. I've gotten into arguments with people over this last point. Their point of view was that government has an obligation to protect consumers against the misinterpretation of these test results, and the way to do this was to outlaw DTC genetic testing and instead mandate that genetic testing only be done if a physician deems it necessary and under the guidance of a genetic counselor, ie another human being that can sit down and explain stuff and make sure the consumer understands the meaning of the results. This rubs me the wrong way. Personally, I don't think it's right to deny people the ability to discover their own genetic information. I understand that the government has an obligation to protect people from harming themselves when this affects society, but it just seems really wrong to me that a person would be able to order a whole slew of genetic tests for their dog/horse/pet hamster, but not be considered competent enough by the government to order genetic testing on themselves. What do you guys think of this? Have any of you done DTC genetic testing? Do you think it should be allowed? Regulated? Discuss.

Maigray Fri, 06/04/2010 - 13:21

I would tend to agree with you. I do not believe it is within the government's purview to protect us from ourselves. It does not really make any sense anyway. If they believe genetic testing may spread misinformation, then it is only about ourselves to ourselves. Misinformation otherwise is rampant in general.

If someone is concerned about their results, you know what they will do? They will go to a doctor. This neatly solves the problem of having a real person explain it to you. This should also make doctors happy, since it will increase their revenue and customer base. If someone does not go to a doctor, what will be the result? Nothing that I can see.

It should also have the happy benefit of increasing the general health consciousness of the public, which is also something the government is (legitimately) concerned with. But in the end, I believe it is up to the consumer to educate themselves. The government may give them the opportunity to do so, but you cannot spoon feed someone their own information. Either they make the effort to understand what they are doing, or they don't.

Jenks Fri, 06/04/2010 - 19:57

I do not think it's much different than teaching everyone a common language. Much more important? It could make someone more aware or send someone to the doctor that wouldn't otherwise think of taking the time off for it. It's an individual's own private property. What better than an interpreter to better understand it or it's implications? The government has no place in it.

Monsterpony Sat, 06/05/2010 - 22:29

I agree with all the previous posts. If someone gets information [i]that they requested[/i] and does something stupid with the information, then the fault lies on that individual. It is not the job of the government to decide what personal information one is allowed to know. I have been asked, on more than one occasion, to interpret the results of a DNA test for horses. This leads me to believe that, if the results were not readily understood, than seeking assistance from a more knowledgeable on the subject. As a person that does have a reasonable understanding of both genetics and medicine, I would be interested in my own genetics.

Jenks Sun, 06/06/2010 - 07:07

I could see though applying something like HIPPA to the results or some sort of privacy for the results.....I would think that it could be used as data in studies, but I wouldn't want my insurance company to find out I had a pre-disposition for heart trouble or something the genetic testing found.....

Danni Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:19

[quote="Monsterpony"]I agree with all the previous posts. If someone gets information [i]that they requested[/i] and does something stupid with the information, then the fault lies on that individual. It is not the job of the government to decide what personal information one is allowed to know. I have been asked, on more than one occasion, to interpret the results of a DNA test for horses. This leads me to believe that, if the results were not readily understood, than seeking assistance from a more knowledgeable on the subject. As a person that does have a reasonable understanding of both genetics and medicine, I would be interested in my own genetics.[/quote]

What you said! My thoughts exactly!!

It would be a shame if they stopped offering things like this because of people making stupid assumptions with the info... Or make us pay heaps more by going through a doctor.

Danni Sun, 06/06/2010 - 22:29

Hey I was wondering.. you know how they have those dog breed tests? Where you send in DNA for your mutt and they send back a report of what breeds might be in the make up of your mutt. Is there anything similar for horses?? Or is there ever likely to be?

RiddleMeThis Sun, 06/06/2010 - 23:04

I don't believe there is Danni. I believe it was horsegen who explained it to us that horses haven't been bred as individual breeds long enough to differentiate between them with DNA tests. I could be 100% wrong on that, so take it with a grain of salt.

As for the OP I agree with Monsterpony. I should be able to find out any information about my own personal body, including my DNA that I want. The government needs to stay out of my body, PERIOD.

Third Peppermint Tue, 06/08/2010 - 22:25

I had the 23andme thing done awhile back. It's fun to get emails occasionally that say they have new results. I really hope no one messes it up for the rest of us...

I managed to find out I have really awesome genetics and come up negative for EVERYTHING. Well, I showed up as having some genes in common with developmental dyslexia and lupus, but they're not "accepted" yet and still in research stage. It does make sense because I had relatives with both. I also found out I'm probably an endurance athlete, I have a really rare maternal haplotype that matches some ancient body found in Mongolia that didn't belong to a Mongolian, AND I got in touch with some 5th cousins. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

Third Peppermint Wed, 06/09/2010 - 10:15

Let's just say for DNA day they had it for $100... They hinted there may be another sale like that, but they didn't say when. If I see it I'll post a link.

nerd Wed, 06/09/2010 - 11:16

Yeah, they had it for $100 at DNA Day here too--but of course I didn't know about it and totally missed out. :roll:
I think that's selling it at a loss for them though--I hear those chips are pretty expensive

nerd Wed, 06/09/2010 - 19:12

Also if you or someone close in your family has some disease, sometimes you can get the testing cheap or free if there is some study/foundation looking into it. (for example, there was a major Parkinson's disease study not too long ago--which I also missed out on)

Third Peppermint Wed, 06/09/2010 - 22:10

[quote="accphotography"]I have a disease type thing... but I don't think they're researching it.[/quote]

They'll probably start if you accidentally mention it. I'm pretty sure the people in charge are too excited about genetics and stuff and will research anything and everything if given the opportunity. The advantage of the DNA day sale was that they got a BUNCH more samples and they're opening up new features and stuff. They have a lot of surveys going on, too. So far I know they're doing research on preeclampsia, Parkinson's, healthy aging, and sarcomas. They also have a bunch of other randoms things they ask and you can volunteer info. I'm impressed that they nailed my blood type from DNA as opposed to a regular test.

They also got my hair color, eye color, and food preference correct... and how I handle caffeine. I can get a list of reports they do if you want and maybe your thing is in it or in the research stage?

accphotography Wed, 06/09/2010 - 22:48

There is already a public test for it though so I'm not sure there is anything left to research. It's Factor V Leiden.

Third Peppermint Thu, 06/10/2010 - 15:42

Yeah, they have that one but its buried inside of the report for Venous Thromboembolism. It's neat though! I had never heard of it before.

accphotography Thu, 06/10/2010 - 22:00

Yeah I'm not surprised. When I developed my first blood clot they ran that whole Venous Thromboembolism panel on me. I'm hetero FVL and I think only that.

nerd Fri, 06/11/2010 - 10:00

Uh oh, look who's in the news this morning--apparently the lab that 23andMe contracts out to accidentally mixed up names and 96 people got the wrong genetic info (this has since been corrected):
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c… test mix-up brings scrutiny to industry[/url]
Anti-DTC testing people are saying that this could have been avoided if the test had to go through a physician or genetic counselor.
So ACC, if you want a reason to do it, here are some more:
-do it now while 23andMe is still in business
-do it now while DTC genetic testing is still legal

RiddleMeThis Fri, 06/11/2010 - 13:17

[quote="nerd"]Anti-DTC testing people are saying that this could have been avoided if the test had to go through a physician or genetic counselor. [/quote]
**Snorts** Ya because those people never make mistakes either. :booty :lol:

Third Peppermint Fri, 06/11/2010 - 15:15

Haha yeah I read about that on their forums. LabCorp mistake, which considering those labs do EVERYTHING, including my work-related bloodwork and stuff, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It seems to me like most people don't think this information is "sensitive" enough to be disturbed. I agree, they make it very clear that just because your DNA suggests that you may have something you don't necessarily have it and vice versa. More of an expensive curiosity to most people, it seems.

Ugh, they better not make it illegal because of one mistake...