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don't ask, don't tell?

I have a student (who just turned 18, BAM!) riding Cory for me and I'd like her to take him to a little schooling show at the end of this month. The prize list/entry does not specifically say no stallions. The lady who puts on these shows is... interesting. The last time I showed at her place I got yelled at for warming my students up exactly where we were told to warm up at the show before. I know what the right thing to do would be -- I should call the lady and ask if I can bring Cory. I also know what I'm likely to do -- bring Cory and feign innocence if she hollers at me. As my father loves to quote, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. And he's going to be sooooo good, right? :lol: I'm actually starting to ponder just taking him to some Welsh shows later this year. At least then I don't have to worry about it. But I want him to be the friendly neighborhood stallion up here, you know? Oh, one question, how do you guys correct screaming under saddle? He's never screamed with me but he was screaming with H today and I told her just to put him to work whenever he did it -- ask him to move off in the opposite direction of where his attention was going. Will that be enough?

lillith Wed, 05/05/2010 - 05:14

I think moving them on will likely help, but I am no stallion expert, as far as I know the best thing is just to give them something else to think about every time their minds...wander.

As to the other he is a short pony right? is anyone actually likely to be looking to check? If they don't notice he is a stallion because he is so well behaved then....no problem?

Jenks Wed, 05/05/2010 - 08:15

I don't have stallions, but.....you might could try this? We do an "Anngt" and if it continues hop down and get him moving out of your space by constantly moving toward them in the front (backing up, lateral moving, etc). Both Cyn and Khaos did it maybe twice when my trainer started working them and this seemed to say to them "she is the only thing I need to pay attention to in the world". I don't know exactly why, but neither do it when she's up, ever. It was a totally new concept for me. Prior to that I always saw a slap on the neck or something, but it never fixed the issue.

Sara Wed, 05/05/2010 - 10:24

Cool, thanks. I remember the first time I went to see Cardi show he even called a couple times during his test (I think this was at second level and he was quite young) but now of course he competes like a silent gentleman. The next time H rides I'll probably be in the arena on a mare -- we haven't tried that yet and I need to make sure he (and H!) can handle it.

Yes, he is very short -- 11.1 1/2 -- so if no one bends down they might not notice. Of course if he is [b]really[/b] good though I'll want to let people know he is a stallion in case they want a breeding. ;) I might possibly have two outside breedings this year, a warmblood mare and a Thoroughbred mare.

rabbitsfizz Wed, 05/05/2010 - 12:48

Just growl at him , move him in a circle and stop.
If you continually move him on he will start to use it as an excuse not to stand still, so it is quite important that he ends up where he started.
If he is standing still I would just tell him to get a life and do as said.
If he is actually working I would give him a good prod and just tell him to quit it!
Rabbit was always very, very noisy (but then no-one ever rode Rabbit) but I could switch him off like a radio.
One way to go if he does not settle is to teach him to do it on cue, that way he will really only do it when told to, I have to have this ability with my working stallions as some mares really do not like a loud bully!

Sara Wed, 05/05/2010 - 13:17

Haha, Cory is no bully but he is [b]very[/b] loud when we take him out to breed. Hmm, maybe that is what is turning Ginny off.

I've always joked that if human men screamed like Cory before s*x the species would die out.

rabbitsfizz Wed, 05/05/2010 - 14:49

You have not lived until you have had a 15.3hh two year old colt FAINT and come down like a poleaxed steer.....oh, yes, guess who was, as usual, holding the mare??? :booty
I was a lot quicker and more agile in those days :D
It is quite normal, of course, but I am often grateful that I only have tinies nowadays.

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 05/05/2010 - 22:17

For horse shows, dab some Vicks around his nostrils. He won't be smelling much of anything to distract him!

Diane

Sara Wed, 05/05/2010 - 22:30

I'll give that a try if nothing else works. Really he's a super easy stallion, very obedient and does not drop when he's being worked. I'm sure he'll figure out horse shows in no time.

NZ Appaloosas Wed, 05/05/2010 - 22:34

If he's talkative from seeing other horses, then Vicks won't work, but if it is from smelling mares (or possibly competition for mares), then it should do the trick, since he's not gonna be able to smell those horses! :rofl

Diane

Sara Wed, 05/05/2010 - 22:39

I think yesterday he was talking mostly because it was a new situation. I had put the mares on the hill behind the arena to eat the clover that grew up there and he's never seen them there before -- nor have they ever been able to watch him working. They were completely ridiculous, running and showing off for him. Lucky little guy had two warmbloods, a Thoroughbred, two Arabians and a Welsh all acting like silly schoolgirls.

Of course I realize that a show will also be a new situation but hopefully we'll have enough tricks to keep him quiet. :)

Andrea Thu, 05/06/2010 - 10:25

Not going to give any advice as I haven't figured it out myself :rofl
But I do notice at shows, mares do holler to their barn buddies. I'm sure Cory will be fine. TAKE PICTURES!

Sara Thu, 05/06/2010 - 10:43

Ugh, mares are the worst, especially broodmares who are used to being in a herd. I pulled my old mares in to the barn a couple days ago because I got some training ponies in and had to move everyone around to make them fit (now all the school ponies are out in the field for a while) and the broodmares are DRIVING ME CRAZY. SCREAM! SCREAM! MY BEST FRIEND IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL AND I CAN'T TOUCH HER OMG!!!!!!!!!!! I think I'm going to pick up some more temporary fence stakes, build them another field, and throw them back outside.

rabbitsfizz Fri, 05/07/2010 - 09:27

I have two mares that have foaled going ballistic because they are not in with the herd.
They will DIE if they are not in the herd.
DIE I SAY!!!!!

Sara Fri, 05/07/2010 - 11:59

I know for a fact that there has been a stallion at one of her shows before because I was at the back gate chatting with a lady and then noticed that her little grey horse was entire. So.. there is a precedent! I just don't know if she knows it yet. ;)