Blue Hors Matine put down
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This was posted about her on the Blue Hors site (rough translation, I'm sorry):
Blue Hors Matinee is no more
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Today started mare Blue Hors Matinee like any other day when she came to fold to enjoy her freedom and the fresh air with her buddy, gelding Blue Hors Cavan. Unfortunately, it was the last day of life Matinee
A passer-by noticed that something was seriously wrong with the white mare in the pen and immediately alerted the staff of the riding hall at Blue Hors Aps.
- There was no doubt that Matinees right front leg was broken at the knee and the vet found immediately that there was absolutely nothing to do to save her life, says director Esben Møller.
13-year-old Blue Hors Matinee e. Blue Hors Silver Moon / Matador, bred by Inger B. Katballe, was just about to foal and hopefully make a career in breeding. The Mare's sporting career has not been long, but was large in dimension.
With her permanent rider, former Blue Hors-circus rider Andreas Helgstrand the mare's career skyrocketed and in record time became one of the world's most celebrated dressage horses and undoubtedly the most famous jump in the sport.
At the World Cup WEG 2006 overtook the young Danish equipage into the world elite and won the championship first Grand Prix at the huge stadium in Aachen. In the Grand Prix Special and won the bronze in the Grand Prix Kur won Matinee and Andreas silver medal. Their Kur-ride quickly became the most watched dressage video on the internet and the portal YouTube has been viewed nearly ten million times!
It is with great sadness that Blue Hors Aps today have had to say goodbye to their wonderful mare, and it is undoubtedly a novelty that will touch people and horses dressage enthusiasts the world over.
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Discussion has been that something was miscommunicated in regards to that.
Lost in translation?
Either she was about to be bred, or if she was bred when she was first laid-up, that would have only been about 5mo ago...? [i]A DVM @ HC commented that IF the/a foal COULD have been saved, it could/would have been done in less than 10min; anesth the mare, C-section and then overdose the mare so she would not regain consciousness.[/i]
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[quote="Heidi"]Discussion has been that something was miscommunicated in regards to that.
Lost in translation?
Either she was about to be bred, or if she was bred when she was first laid-up, that would have only been about 5mo ago...? [i]A DVM @ HC commented that IF the/a foal COULD have been saved, it could/would have been done in less than 10min; anesth the mare, C-section and then overdose the mare so she would not regain consciousness.[/i][/quote]
I read an article from August of 2009 and she had not yet been bred. I do not believe she was close to due. They'd said she was to be bred "next season" in the article, but I don't know when that is for them.
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*shakes head and sighs deeply* I was a BIG fan of this mare as I am with Brentina. IMO, there is nothing to compare with a mare (and their 'heart') in competition. I'm certain that she was SO much more than just her genetics which she won't be passing on...
~"We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Koenig~
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[quote="rabbitsfizz"]It is still a great pity that, with so many so so great mares being "harvested" and quite a few not so brilliant animals being cloned, they did not take advantage of the technology that is available.
Is it possible to freeze eggs?
I believe it is in humans???[/quote]
Yes, there are frozen WA Outrageous eggs.
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I used to consult in equine reproductive management until I had my fill of the majority of the equines stewards. Life is much more than genetics! What bothers me most about what I'm seeing in our world these days is a 'disconnect' from the soul and too much emphasis on the physical aspects of the world. Is it any wonder that the world is 'crazy' anymore?
I attempted to be non-confrontative with my remark regarding Matines 'soul' and how such differs from her genetics but it seems that the comment was lost. It is disheartening that so many people involved with equines (whom I believe to be magical, mystical beings) are overly focused on 'return in investment'. Some unloving, warped form of desire for monetary gain and/or ego gratification?
All this stuff regarding 'harvesting' and cloning reminds me of something out of Frankenstein, negating the uniqueness that is each and every living being. Within all of eternity each and every living being is unlike any other, regardless of genetics. In effect it's a living embodiment of the formula for the infinite, any number plus ONE. It is that one-ness that is unique. Infinite possibility though infinite diversity...
~"How can it be?" The unicorn wondered. "I suppose I could understand it if men had simply
forgotten unicorns. But not to see them at all, to look at them and see something else - what do they look like to one another, then? What do trees look like to them, or houses, or real horses, or their own children?" - Peter S. Beagle~
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I've heard of follicles (I think it was follicles, maybe it was just eggs) being harvested from a mare that recently died. It's apparently possible if they're fast enough.
Guys I'm hearing that she wasn't even pregnant at all... can anyone set the record straight?
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[quote="accphotography"]I've heard of follicles (I think it was follicles, maybe it was just eggs) being harvested from a mare that recently died. It's apparently possible if they're fast enough.
Guys I'm hearing that she wasn't even pregnant at all... can anyone set the record straight?[/quote]
I think that's right, but don't have anything concrete.
And, drcharleton, I appreciate your point of view. Understand that the point of this forum is color genetics - a far cry from what's really important in life as a whole - but the mare was well loved and everyone simply hoped she could have possibly lived on through her progeny. Let's not make it a debate about science. If you feel we are dishonoring her by discussing whether or not she was in foal, you misunderstand.
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There is now an English translation on the site where previously there was not and it no longer mentions being in foal or about to foal:
Blue Hors Matiné has been humanely put down after a tragic field accident.
Matiné spent a few hours in the paddock with her buddy Blue Hors Cavan every day, and she was with Cavan when the fatal accident happened. There was no doubt that Matiné had broken her right front leg at the knee, and the vet immediately diagnosed that there was no way possible to save her life.
With her steady rider Andreas Helgstrand Matiné by Blue Hors Silver Moon x Matador made an outstanding dressage career. She went from being a national Danish young horse champion to becoming an international mega star winning individual silver and bronze at the 2006 WEG in Aachen. Matiné’s silver medal winning freestyle is to date one of the most viewed equestrian videos on Youtube with more than 9.3 million hits.
All staff at Blue Hors is very sad about the tragic loss. The news about the early passing of Blue Hors Matiné will surely travel around the world at high speed, as she was a unique and charismatic horse with many fans across the globe.
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*nods* Point taken Jenks. Consider that without open discussion however and (fortunately or not) sometimes heated debates (as long as they are kept 'civil') that understanding is not likely to occur. In my MANY years of interactions in equine 'circles' I have come to understand that my perspective on them is in the minority.
Color genetics holds interest for me as does equine physiology and reproductive management in the past. When I started becoming involved in equine rescue and welfare in a vain attempt to give back some small part of all that equines have and continue to give me my perspective on breeding changed considerably.
I have become a zealot regarding individual accountability and responsibility regarding equine stewardship. This will likely enter into some of my posts here on the forum from time to time as it appears to have here. If such perspective is not welcome here perhaps I should leave?
~"Before you can inspire with emotion, you must be swamped with it yourself. Before you can move their tears, your own must flow. To convince them, you must yourself believe." - Winston Churchill~
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Absolutely NOT!!!
You just stop right there, missis, everyone is equally welcome here and discussion, open and frank, is welcomed, as are you.
We do, however, reserve the right to disagree with you, openly and frankly!!! :booty
I understand what you are saying about the soul and I understand, I think, a little of how you feel but my whole point was that, in a world that seems only to think of money and reproducing without allowing the animals any natural life, here was a prime candidate for egg freezing, as a back up to just this sort of tragedy. This mare was being allowed a natural retirement, at a remarkably early age, I might add, and no-one had thought to harvest eggs form her whilst she was still being ridden?
I find that a tragedy.
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[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Absolutely NOT!!!
You just stop right there, missis, everyone is equally welcome here and discussion, open and frank, is welcomed, as are you.
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Yep. This is true. No need to go anywhere! We are a fairly mature group usually who can calmly get through a disagreement....though we ARE all horse lovers and horse lovers tend to be passionate don't they?
I am no different in my belief about all living things as you are about horses. Life is something to respect and revere.
Now I'm really off topic!
RIP Matine!
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[quote="drcharltonjr"]I attempted to be non-confrontative with my remark regarding Matines 'soul' and how such differs from her genetics but it seems that the comment was lost. It is disheartening that so many people involved with equines (whom I believe to be magical, mystical beings) are [u]overly focused on 'return in investment'. Some unloving, warped form of desire for monetary gain and/or ego gratification?[/u]
All this stuff regarding 'harvesting' and cloning reminds me of something out of Frankenstein, negating the uniqueness that is each and every living being. Within all of eternity each and every living being is unlike any other, regardless of genetics. In effect it's a living embodiment of the formula for the infinite, any number plus ONE. It is that one-ness that is unique. [i]Infinite possibility though infinite diversity...[/i][/quote]
Is it man's folly to constantly strive for improvement with higher and higher goals and/or recreate that which was great in hopes of lightning striking twice? You get a better-than-average chance of that happening if you are deliberate and thoughtful in your approach rather than taking random and meandering paths. Surely not *all* of these endeavors could be driven by the bottom-line?
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Individuals like Matinee absolutely 'blow my mind'. I would have cherished the opportunity to meet her and the blessing to be her humble servant (e.g., just to have fed and groomed her!). The question begs though what makes one being more or less 'special' than another? Is it their accomplishments and/or public exposure? Is love something to be quantified as more or less or is the challenge to love equally, yet differently?
I was not blessed or fortunate to have been raised in the company of equines and I've a LOT of catching up to do. I am doing all I'm able to relish each day I interact with them (some 30 plus years and counting!). It's certainly a tragedy whenever a 'great soul' passes. Would or could she have produced exceptional progeny? Breeding really is a 'crap shoot'. At best one can only hedge their bets.
RIP beautiful, precious Matinee...
~"We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals…In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendor and travail of the earth." - Henry Beston~
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[quote="drcharltonjr"]The question begs though what makes one being more or less 'special' than another? Is it their accomplishments and/or public exposure? Is love something to be quantified as more or less or is the challenge to love equally, yet differently?[/quote]
I'm not sure whether it's *more* special or whether it's just the right combination of things at just the right time. I love my mare that I don't ride anymore at all (she's a bit high strung) just as much as my mare that I do ride (when I'm not busy fixing/improving fencing). I love them both more than Matine of course. Matine was not perfect, but she was SO good with her rider at several popular and media infested shows, put that with the popularity of the web now? I think a lot of horses have the potential to be as good, but will it all come together just so perfectly? And then her loading accident. It ended her career.
What's the Westfall gal? She was no big dressage star. She didn't get quite as many hits as Matine's freestyle, but how many reiner's are on the web rather than with a real working horse or working on their property ? She took a horse and in a month and a half did something that captured people much like Matine and her rider.
The love or popularity? It's a perfect harmony of horse and rider. Something that's developed between the two. For many people it's romanticized to the point that they may not be able to see more than they want (recent Cavalia show in Atlanta comes to mind). For a lot of horse people it is what we think as the ultimate goal - the ability to be a part of the horse in a way - to have more than a ride. To connect.
THIS is why people will try anything. Any gimmick, any training CD, any method....they want to be a part of your magic as you say.
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That's a terrible shame.