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So what do we think here????

thorwood August 14, 2010 February 22, 2011

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OK, I got these pics from another list & posted with permission. :lol: Now anyone that has read about him, shhhh, till everyone has had a guess. He appears to be a bit of a mystery. Apologies in advance if he has already been posted, I will delete the thread. There are some test results, but I won't post them just yet, to get everyone's first impressions. The horse is of unknown parentage unfortunately, being a rescue. [attachment=2]dundee ,uknown roos and sunshine 015.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=1]dundee ,uknown roos and sunshine 039.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=0]dundee ,uknown roos and sunshine 040.jpg[/attachment]

Jenks Sat, 08/14/2010 - 08:10

I would guess double cream champagne maybe on a black base?

OK...hurry up with the guesses....I want to know the stunning test results!

thorwood Sat, 08/14/2010 - 08:31

:toast Partly right Jenks, but no champagne!!!!

This horse has been tested twice, because the first time the results were such a surprise.

thorwood Sat, 08/14/2010 - 19:32

:rofl OK, better cough up what I know.

The horse was tested at UC Davis, & then tested again just to make sure.

He is EE, AA, Crcr, so he is buckskin.
They also tested for Pearl & Champagne the second time & negative for both.

So what is he?????

Dilutes Sat, 08/14/2010 - 22:11

Did they test for silver?

He certainly isn't what you'd expect with those results! He wasn't rescued with his dam, was he? I know awhile ago, someone rescued what they thought was possibly a champagne or pearl mare and foal. It was awhile ago so I wondered if he was the foal. Mmm, must be wrong though as I think their results were silver buckskin. I think he just reminds me a little of them.

thorwood Sat, 08/14/2010 - 22:52

As far as I know he hasn't been tested for silver, will ask though.
He is a stallion & rescued as an adult. Breeding is supposed to be standardbred X TWH, though, nothing is known
for certain.

I am not sure that silver would account for the eyes & pink skin???
There have been a few pics posted on here of silver buckskins & they all looked looked pretty much like buckskins from memory, with
dark skin & points.

JNFerrigno Sun, 08/15/2010 - 01:03

Ah okies, my mind is not so mushy now if they haven't tested for silver. It very well could be that his point expression due to Agouti is minimal (like in Wild Bays?) and Silver when paired with Cream does some wonky things. Heck, Silver alone is just a mind screwer. These people on here like to post horses that don't look silver but test silver just to screw with me ^_~ so watch out, Silver doesn't always do what you think it will, specially with cream.

Not very good examples, but I'm sure some one will post better ones.

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I don't know how common Silver is in either breed he was crossed with, but we established that he tested negitive for champagne right? I know that is common in walkers.

Dilutes Sun, 08/15/2010 - 01:56

Mmm, yes silver wouldn't explain the pink skin or his green toned eyes...

Surely the Genetics testing lab are interested in doing further testing on him?

Dogrose Sun, 08/15/2010 - 10:37

When people test a second time do they use a different testing agency? I would. Can things happen with genes/alleles where only one side is activated in the embryo? So that only one copy of Cr could look like two? I know genes have switches etc, not tecchie enough to know how it would all happen though. Maybe if the cr side of the allele wasn't 'switched on' this could happen to the phenotype?

Third Peppermint Sun, 08/15/2010 - 11:39

That is awesome! I put in my vote for a previously undocumented mutation. Like the zillions of "albino" mutations in mice! I could see there being cream and pearl and something else in there easy.

JNFerrigno Sun, 08/15/2010 - 11:56

I don't know about mice, but in rats they can become so diluted with so many different genes that their coat just whites out, and they will look just like an albino. Sort of how Pearl and Cream cause a horse to have hyper dilution.

What was his rescue case any ways? Could environment have had an effect on him? I knwo that could explain some coat issues in animals, but then we're right back to trying to explain skin color.

Eye color I don't know. I do know that Cream in single doses will some times cause horses eyes to look gold. This isn't exactly uncommon, but I've found that the majority of people (LOL off this form) don't know this little fact. And I often find my in box with a questions relating to such a horse, specially if sooty is involved. >_> think I'm rambling again.

lipigirl Sun, 08/15/2010 - 15:09

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]What about Max Sabino + Cream (thinking TWH here) or DW + Cream???[/quote]

Like where you are going with this but would not 'expect' the eyes to look like that with max sabby or dw

Maigray Mon, 08/16/2010 - 08:19

He does not actually look white though, he is very cream colored, so I don't think white markings are the answer. When I guessed palomino I thought the density of pigment in his mane pointed more to a black base. But I also thought maybe sooty might have an underlying effect. I know there have been cases where a single cream red dilution can almost mimic a double dilute effect. But this is way beyond that - this is a very clear dilution of all pigment on a black base. It is really too bad the horse has an undocumented history.