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mini stallion..

ThornandThistle June 07, 2010 February 22, 2011

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He will be tested because i just wanna know. But looking for any ideas, he's registered Bay, but he's just too gold in my opinion to be bay always has been. He is the sire to the Chestnut Mini i just posted :) so i know he carries Ee for sure..just not the rest of it. He is in fact the ONLY solid horse out of his dam and sire combination out of at least 6 foals...BUT he's also the only one who hasn't turned grey!!! so looks like their grey gene is some how connected to the pinto gene. OR at least the dominant pinto gene. He's about 11 years old now and has had the 1 red foal live... the others have sadly not made it. Sire is Black and white pinto, dam is registered as a brown and white pinto but i suspect something else since the 2 of them have a buckskin foal. These pictures are the best i have at the moment, they really don't show how gold he really is and of course he is darker some years then others.

lipigirl Mon, 06/07/2010 - 03:43

He looks like a bay to me, as you know there are various shades of it and also Seal which is brown and a different matter altogether. Is there cream in his sire or dam for you to suspect Buckskin ?

rabbitsfizz Mon, 06/07/2010 - 11:31

I am presuming he is clipped??
Which makes it hard to see colour, do you have any of him unclipped?
He looks Bay to me....

ThornandThistle Mon, 06/07/2010 - 12:57

That is indeed his summer coat. He is the only one i have that sheds out by mid May, so i never really have to clip him except for his head just to clean up the edges. Like i said before his parents do have at least one Buckskin foal, that i've seen. So creme is possible. I have to be honest, he looks like a german shepard dog, dark on top and GOLD GOLD on the bottom :)

Monsterpony Mon, 06/07/2010 - 17:30

The gray gene is not linked to any pinto genes that are known. If both parents are gray, then they are heterozygous (Gg) do to him being a solid. That crossing should end up with about 75% grey foals out of that combination. One out of six is about 83%. If they had two non-grey foals out of six, it would be 67% so only one in six is not really that abnormal. The pinto numbers are harder to determine as pinto refers to several different genes or alleles of the same gene so we'd need to see photos of the parents to determine patterns present.

ThornandThistle Mon, 06/07/2010 - 18:27

I've never actually seen the dam, but she is the one that has grey'd out. the sire is still black and white. Though for awhile people we're linking him to something they were calling a disappearing color gene...or something. His foals would be born solid and then over a year or so develop pinto patches, I have not seen this no do i believe it's true. But the color difference was dramatic i guess, I'm thinking that he had a sabino gene and the foals were roaning out in sections.

Monsterpony Mon, 06/07/2010 - 20:28

Well, it is less likely for a single gray parent to have that many gray babies, but definitely not unheard of. Each foal has a 50% of being gray independent of the rest.

rabbitsfizz Tue, 06/08/2010 - 10:36

It is quite possible for him to be that colour and be Bay, but, in this case, I think he may be a very sooty Buckskin.
I do not think he is Brown, but do you have pictures of him as a foal?

ThornandThistle Wed, 06/09/2010 - 00:38

i'll have to find them and scan them onto the computer :) He was really ugly as a baby...i think the youngest i have of him are at 3 or 4 months...

ThornandThistle Thu, 06/10/2010 - 19:42

here are the only foal pictures i have of him. He's never really had dark points until now...but that is because I don't clip his legs anymore and it's all still winter hair :)
He's ALWAYS been some shade of brown gold and has gotten golder as he gets older.