I'm all out of guesses....

Shes interesting....Im going to throw out my guess of Silver Buckskin with some type of roaning.

PLEASE test. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE lol!

Would love to see shots of the dorsal and maby up close of leg barring. If she is dun, I would guess silver dunskin roan or silver bay dun roan. If it turns out shes not dun, then silver buckskin roan.
That other draft you have is so beautiful...love the blue eye. :love

Gray, gray, gray all the way. Bay or buckskin base.

Oh good, you made it! Hmmmm....seeing that new picture is making me second guess my first thought. Bay-based probably with cream and either grey or roan...I can't wait to see the test results :D

[color=#8000BF][b]I say bay or buckskin goin gray. I see lots of gray.

My QH filly Lacey is bay based but goin gray & right now she has such a buckskin look to her head & body...kinda funny.[/b][/color]

The head screams buckskin to me (along with dark legs). And if I just look at the mane/tail I want to say silver, but looking at the whole horse, I change my mind to greying.

Buckskin going Grey.

[size=150][color=#004080][quote="CMhorses"]Would love to see shots of the dorsal and maby up close of leg barring. If she is dun, I would guess silver dunskin roan or silver bay dun roan. If it turns out shes not dun, then silver buckskin roan.
That other draft you have is so beautiful...love the blue eye. :love[/quote]

My other horse is named Sapphirro...he's also a PMU baby we rescued...isn't he GORGEOUS?!? I squeal like a little girl (inside) when I see him...I draw lots of Unicorns and when I saw him I HAD to have him...and almost wasn't able to, we went through the whole screening process to adopt him, made it through the inquiries and then someone else offered MORE money on top of his already high adoption fee, and I was worried THEY would be picked...so I matched the offer to level the playing field and WE were chosen as the BEST possible bome and WE got him! He's a Maximal Sabino FULL Clydesdale with TWO blue eyes and nice eye-liner to define them (I am in LOVE with blue eyed horses, but tend to not like them the same if the eyes are lined in pink instead of black)...BOTH of these horses were named "Blue" when we adopted them....I know, original, but for me it was boring---so I just named them Blue in a different, more interesting way---Sapphirro inspired by Saphira the Dragon in the Eragon books, and Azure, because it's more feminine and she really does look kind of purpley-blue in the right lighting...lol! They are now both old enough for training to ride, Azure is younger, but coming four, and Sapphirro is coming Five---Azure is more ready mentally, and even though Sapphirro is older, he's beginning to show more willingness, where-as Azure has been showing willingness since we first brought her home![/color][/size]

[size=150][color=#004080]If you look close in some of these pics you can sort of see the barring on the legs...in the third photo down you can see about 4 bands of striping on her right rear leg...it's faint but there---I mistook it for dirt or sweat while grooming her, and after trying to clean it out, it really is barring....the Fourth pic down you can see the barring on the back of her front right....there's a better shot of it lower down too...Eight pictures down you can see her two back legs and the faint barring, look close, it's there....in picture ten with her and Sapphirro huddling together you can make out the banding on her left front leg....about three bands, and one really thin one on the back side...when she grows in a new coat she's DARK, like a Bay Roan look (she reminds me of a Brabant variety Belgian Horse) with a silver mane and tail....during the summer months she fades out to a washed out, pale looking buckskin type color, and then when she grows her winter coat she goes WAY dark again. Her dorsal stripe this time of year after being out in the sun is almost non-existent and doesn't photo well...I would have to get updated closeups to show other things in detail.

So far the colors she turns have remained the same for the last two years...I thought with gray horses that they start out life dark, but eventually turn white, being lighter every year....or do I need to hunt down the basics descriptions somewhere on here? I'm LOST....but that's also why I am here! TO Learn! LOL![/color][/size]

My first thought was palomino going grey.

The barring you are seeing is not dun barring, it's gray barring (IMO). Dun barring is not light/white, it's dark (on a bay dun it usually looks dark red or black). It only appears on the inside back of the front leg and the very back outside edge of the hock. Dorsals that fade out with sun bleaching are not dun dorsals either. Dun dorsals don't fade.

Grays can go back somewhat dark seasonally on occasion. Especially if they are both roan and gray.

Do you have your Clydes pedigree? I know a few people who would be interested to see it. You'll learn here that the majority of us are of the very strong opinion that sabino does not cause blue eyes. I just about guarantee you won't find a person here who will agree that your Clyde mare is a max sabino or even that the majority of her markings are caused by sabino. She is an absolutely classic splash pattern (who does have sabino in addition). That is what has caused the white movement up her shoulder and flank, her bald head and her blue eyes. I'll bet she also has a very obvious dipped tail as well. :mrgreen: Gooooorgeous girl!!

[color=#004080]The reason I think the other "draft" horse in Azure is Brabant Belgian, is when she FIRST grows her coat in, she is DARK...like this, maybe a little less red (more like chocolatey hues), but VERY close:

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The one up front, ESPECIALLY! AND even the one in back, see the silver manes?

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This one is PRETTY...but I'd be for fixin' that fence!

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I'm not really sure what they call the color (Bay Roan is common to hear), but it is SO close I see Azure in them every time I come across a picture of a Brabant Belgian--except she has a Silver mane and tail...some of them do too, but it's not quite as common.....so I really think she has some Brabant in her, and it is very possible her mother really was a Shire mare (I still want pictures, but in the rescue business it's tough to find sometimes)...I think Shire refined her bone structure (although she is still young yet in Draft terms, and may "plump" up in the coming years) She has a Shire head if I have ever seen one...the roman nose and kind eyes. There could even be thoroughbred, appendix or AQH in there somewhere--I am pretty sure her dad was a 3/4 Draft mutt with something a little finer boned and lesser feathered in there (since I do know that "feathers" are a recessive gene that both parents have to carry for to produce, and the dad was lacking/minimal, and Azure has medium feathers). Her dad was FAT in the picture I saw, so it's hard to say how he looks when in tip-top shape, and he was in winter coat so color was harder, but I'd guess a normal Blue Roan--I'll hunt down the picture and see if I can transfer it to my Laptop.[/color]

[size=150][color=#004080][quote="accphotography"]The barring you are seeing is not dun barring, it's gray barring (IMO). Dun barring is not light/white, it's dark (on a bay dun it usually looks dark red or black). It only appears on the inside back of the front leg and the very back outside edge of the hock. Dorsals that fade out with sun bleaching are not dun dorsals either. Dun dorsals don't fade.

Grays can go back somewhat dark seasonally on occasion. Especially if they are both roan and gray.

Do you have your Clydes pedigree? I know a few people who would be interested to see it. You'll learn here that the majority of us are of the very strong opinion that sabino does not cause blue eyes. I just about guarantee you won't find a person here who will agree that your Clyde mare is a max sabino or even that the majority of her markings are caused by sabino. She is an absolutely classic splash pattern (who does have sabino in addition). That is what has caused the white movement up her shoulder and flank, her bald head and her blue eyes. I'll bet she also has a very obvious dipped tail as well. :mrgreen: Gooooorgeous girl!![/quote]

Sorry, but my Big Guy, Sapphirro was a PMU Rescue baby from Canada, and his pedigree is either non existent or gonna be VERY hard to hunt down. I was just calling him as I was told he was...I am not aware of the Maximal Sabino vs Blue Eyes debate...I could tell you lots about dogs with blue eyes, but nil on horses...a lot of people around here are still superstitious and think blue eyed horses will suck up your soul...but he's my BIG GUY, and I get lost in his eyes regularly....thanks for the comments![/color][/size]

Definitely going grey - could be bucky base, bay base and or Dun but I see grey all the way !

Here's the ONE picture I have of "Daddy"....and now that I look at it again, he does look more Gray, so that could explain some....but he does have some similarities to Brabants as well....I see Azure's face in his. He's just WAY FAT in this picture, and it's really not a great one either...you think they would invest more time in their stallions pictures, but, I guess that's how money-makers are, they just don't care!

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Definitely gray IMO with an off chance of being roan *in addition*.

[size=150][color=#004080][quote]Definitely gray IMO with an off chance of being roan *in addition*.[/quote]

Is it genetically possible to cross a Horse colored like Azure's Dad with a Bay colored (maybe even a Bay Roan) Shire Horse and result in an offspring like Azure? I just really wish I could track down more photos...I will see what I can find, but it's probably not gonna happen.... :( [/color][/size]

There's no way of knowing what color that grey is genetically without testing so anything's possible.

[size=150][color=#004080]WOOHOO! I think I have found her father! I am pretty sure...the four white feet, a dark mark/scar on his left side ribs, and even the treeline in the background of the picture matches! And he's got a silver mane too, but he's definitely GRAY! Even the description of the jumping....and before I got off on my Brabant tangent, my first guess at her father was Percheron/Quarter Horse or Perch/Thoroughbred---turns out my first guesses were (mostly) CORRECT...and he's also 1/4 Shire (on paper)...I contacted this rescue to see if they can help me find pictures of the mother....let's cross our fingers and hope....maybe I will be lucky and also find baby pics of Azure? I can only hope!

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Yikes - looking at that tail do they not own a brush ??!!!! :evil:

palewolf - I suspect your mare is bay roan with splash and sabino going grey (pretty much like the rest of the ladies). :love I am with Lipi about a brush - but having tried to brush a frozen tail in Feb. I know it isn't very easy to straighten out (especially on a stud)
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Definitely the same stallion. Boy is that tail going to take some time (or some scissors).

Scissors is the quickest and easiest...I know I had to do that to several tails over the years.

[color=#004080][size=150]I just lost Sapphirro's tail to some barbless wire...don't ask me how he fenagled that one, but there were the longest parts, hanging from the wire one morning....now it just looks bobbed, NOT my idea of fun! And this Wyoming wind is HORRIBLE for hair of ANY kind...so I had to cut him shorter---still about 12-15 inches, but the longest parts were about 30-35"!!! It was like the more I brushed, the more it tangled...and it doesn't matter how loose the braids are, he itches at them and snags them and yanks them out by the roots! But I'd be for cutting that stallions tail off and starting fresh....it looks like a matted mess that would either take hours of work then turn out to be mostly broken or fallen out hair anyway, leaving a little fray like an Elephant's tail.

Thanks for all the guesses, now we just have to get that test and do it! As soon as I can get a free $25....[/size][/color]

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!!!!!!!!!WORTH the price! I would cut it (maybe just above the hock) and then work the rest of it out, you just rub this in and it pulls right apart in in your fingers. use pliers to crush any sticks or burs to powder. I've got out some crazy messes with this stuff in no time at all. I have one horse who's huge curly mane would take an hour to brush on a good day, I can get it done in 2 minutes with this and it's grown really long now. Not to mention those thick "ropy" tails. It can get any kind of twist out from even around blackberry sticks.

I always just use showsheen, it helps tons. It's expensive though. And don't use it on people...mom tried that on me once....does not work.

WD40 motor oil spray does it as well as Cowboy Magic and at a third of the price, it does not smell very nice but who cares??? ;)

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]WD40 motor oil spray does it as well as Cowboy Magic and at a third of the price, it does not smell very nice but who cares??? ;)[/quote]

Best wasp spray there is too. Works better than any "real" Wasp Spray.

I didn't know that....how...do you chase the wasp around and spray it or just batter it to death with the can?? :rofl

ha, I just finished doing ym old mares tail , have to do it once a year or it would end up like that, I think some horse are more prone to knot up liek that then others, she is my only one that does this , I use Premiere Rose oil...it took about 2 hours, wasnt the worst one she has had before,,,but its out now :flower ...I get a bucket and sit int he field with her, she goes to sleep jsut standing there halterless, she loves for anyting to be done to her, she is such an x-show horse junkie...groom me , fly spray me, pull my mane, she loves clippers, she will come running if she sees clippers in hand and run off the rest of the horses , she is bizarre lol