Tobiano

A minimal tobiano can VERY easily have a tobiano foal who is loudly obviously tobiano.

If the two horses with just tall stockings are NOT minimal tobiano, then obviously they wont be having tobiano foals.

I don't see why you wouldn't get a horse with body white. It might not be excessive, like a shielded tobiano. I mean, it should just work the same way how white patterns were bred to be very minimal in other breeds yes? Just backwards.

I found a Tobiano horse on DA, high leg white, but like two small spots on his body.

Anyone have any examples before I reply? What about that foal (was it a standardbred?) that was tobi and I guess something else but from two solid parents. I believe it was in the UK...?

If you google "slipped tobiano" you will find many examples under the images section. Several years ago, I think it was Rabbitfizz that posted an image of a tobiano mini/pony with only a single hind sock.
Some examples that listed the horse was tested positive for tobiano:
http://www.horseforum.com/horse-breeds/…

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/ho…

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/ho…

Rodeoratdogs has one: http://equine.colorgenetics.info/conten…

But do these slipped tobianos when bred to solid QHs or other slipped tobis produce loud tobianos?

Basically getting at that it isn't a good idea to combine APHA and AQHA for the sake of keeping tobiano out of QHs.

It is possible they could produce a loud tobiano if bred to a solid. How likely is it? I can't say. It would depend on if the "solid" is truly lacking in white patterns or if a suppressor is present. The chances of a loud tobiano would be greatly increased if bred to a "solid" with high whites, a loud blaze, or 4 white feet.

I doubt the AQHA and APHA would ever merge. They have been separate for to long and there are strong feelings on both sides. Tobianos were present in the original AQHA gene pool just like splash, frame, sabino, and LP. As a QH owner I would be thrilled to see tobiano back in the gene pool. I feel it's a shame that it was ever discriminated against. The only reason its not still there is it's a bit harder to "hide" than other white patterns.

Kind of thinking about it that probably just answered your question. If it wasn't possible to get a loud out of a solid or near solid it would probably still be in the gene pool.

I'm not entirely sure I'm understanding your question correctly. My experience is not in QH/Paints, but Minis.

This stallion (LWO positive, negative for Tobi)
[IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…] [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…]

Bred to this mare (heterozygous Tobiano and all her white is showing in the photos)
[IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…] [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…]

Produced this LOUD filly
[IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…] [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/…]

That is sort of what I'm referring to. I'll get into it more after I eat breakfast... lol

Songcatcher, your mare, stallion and foal are some of my favourites for using as examples of "what you see is not always what you have or will get". As well as showing how 'red' horses can be flashier than 'black' horses.

Diane