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Splash and what else?

So I thought Splash and Frame, but the photos of the stallions left side made me think Tobiano. Check him out tho, found him while looking for brindles. http://www.justabrindlehorse.com/stallions/clever-lee/clever-lee-pictur…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and his foal crop http://www.justabrindlehorse.com/stallions/clever-lee/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ThornandThistle Tue, 08/03/2010 - 01:09

interesting how a lot of his foals are colored just mainly on the front like him. weird, that would be a definite splash though correct?

Danni Tue, 08/03/2010 - 06:34

I think splash just does that sometimes too, do one end more than the other, and that trend seems to be inheritable in that line?

Songcatcher Tue, 08/03/2010 - 11:26

[quote="accphotography"]I've never thought he was tobi.[/quote]
Am I correct that the Paint breed does not carry Tobi, or did I imagine that?

accphotography Tue, 08/03/2010 - 12:23

Oh Paints definitely carry tobi. Quarter Horses carry everything except tobi so that's probably what you were thinking (same with TBs).

JNFerrigno Tue, 08/03/2010 - 14:50

The last photo of his on the left doesn't make you think tobiano? The way it's rounded on the neck like a sheild, and crosses over to the other side? He's got a few other foals on that page with white on or crossing the top line. I thought that was considered a characteristic of tobiano?

Third Peppermint Tue, 08/03/2010 - 14:54

I see what you're talking about with the tobiano thing. it's weird because I was just looking at some horses, I forget what breed, and they were tobiano, but it was front heavy and there were splotches similar to some of those. I'll see if I can find those pictures.

accphotography Tue, 08/03/2010 - 15:16

[quote="JNFerrigno"]The last photo of his on the left doesn't make you think tobiano? The way it's rounded on the neck like a sheild, and crosses over to the other side? He's got a few other foals on that page with white on or crossing the top line. I thought that was considered a characteristic of tobiano?[/quote]

It's not really the "topline", it's the "back". There isn't a stitch of white over the back of him or any of his foals. There's no way that would happen if tobi were present IMO. Not only that but even with frame I don't see tobi leaving a totally solid leg like that. The white that crosses over his neck flows in a very horizontal way and not at all what tobi would do on a neck IMO.

http://www.equusite.com/articles/basics…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Songcatcher Tue, 08/03/2010 - 17:32

[quote="accphotography"]Oh Paints definitely carry tobi. Quarter Horses carry everything except tobi so that's probably what you were thinking (same with TBs).[/quote]
Obviously I am not very well versed on Paints. I guess it's the double reg. Paints/QH and Paint/TB that had me confused.

lipigirl Tue, 08/03/2010 - 17:52

[quote="accphotography"][quote="JNFerrigno"]The last photo of his on the left doesn't make you think tobiano? The way it's rounded on the neck like a sheild, and crosses over to the other side? He's got a few other foals on that page with white on or crossing the top line. I thought that was considered a characteristic of tobiano?[/quote]

It's not really the "topline", it's the "back". There isn't a stitch of white over the back of him or any of his foals. There's no way that would happen if tobi were present IMO. Not only that but even with frame I don't see tobi leaving a totally solid leg like that. The white that crosses over his neck flows in a very horizontal way and not at all what tobi would do on a neck IMO.

http://www.equusite.com/articles/basics…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]

Don't agree on this - we've recently seen minimal tobi's with white only in the mane.....I think poss Tobi and def splash.

accphotography Tue, 08/03/2010 - 17:57

In minis? ;) In big horses it is VERY unusual. In the cases it does happen the horse is nearly always VERY minimal, unlike this guy.

rabbitsfizz Wed, 08/04/2010 - 07:03

I agree that Tobiano in minimal can be as little as four low legs, no body white at all.
Even though Minis seem to make up their own rules, this is only because all the colours are mixed up in a way that most sensible BH owners would not do, they still follow the rules.
And, whilst there are no hard and fast rules for patterns, such as the rules are, Minis still follow them.
As to the "crossing the top line" and it is "top line" not back, it is more of a guide line than a rule.
I do actually think that other side could be Tobiano, it would be enough to have me test him, if he were mine.

RiddleMeThis Wed, 08/04/2010 - 13:47

He goes back to all Quarter Horse, with no tobiano in his pedigree ANYWHERE.

Hes splash + sabino and most likely frame.

rodeoratdogs Wed, 08/04/2010 - 19:10

Really [b]nice[/b] foundation, Paint & QH bloodlines shared with Gambling Man who was really loud HZ Splash and the Robin Boy lines that had Frame and Sabino, so yes Splash/frame and likely Sabino.

accphotography Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:59

Agreed. The vertical movement of that white over her neck would have me thinking she was tobi even more than the OP's neck white, but once you include the legs and barrel that goes out the window. :lol: