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Quick Roan Question

Third Peppermint November 04, 2010 February 22, 2011

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So I'm trying to come up with a good idea of roan based on what we currently know. I recall hearing that the roan in Quarter Horses and the roan in Belgian Drafts might not be the same roan? If this is so, do QHs get the silvery mane and tail with extreme roan expression? I'm thinking back to some incredibly roaned Comtois (the ones that appeared to be not silver) and they have varying amounts of white in their manes and tails. I'm just trying to figure out if there is any physical difference or whatever.

RiddleMeThis Thu, 11/04/2010 - 21:35

Yes, roans in QH can and do get roaning threw their manes and tails with Roan. Not quite sure Ive seen it to the extent it is in the Brabants, but Ive seen some of it.

rabbitsfizz Fri, 11/05/2010 - 10:28

In Belgium the "brabant" and the Belgian are the same breed, and there is an awful lot of heavy roaning, complete with grey manes and tails. Having said that, my Bay Roan Connemara mare had a Grey mane and tail and my Black Roan Sec B mare had a black mane and tail.
Rabbits dam was a Black Roan and had a blackish mane and tail, but her dam was a Bay Roan and, again, had a greying mane and tail. I know this is not many horses, but I do wonder if the Bay "helps" the mane and tail....maybe...in some way??

Third Peppermint Fri, 11/05/2010 - 11:06

That's definitely interesting, I hadn't really payed any attention to the base color when checking out the roans... Now I'm going to search through all these Auxois pics for a black roan and compare!

Threnody Fri, 11/05/2010 - 11:51

Sorry I wasn't clearer before RMT is more succinct than I am ^_^

He is very nice :) My favorite horse
I ride is a red roan. He has some white in his mane and the top of his tail has some white as well. It looks very neat when only the frosty parts end up in a tail braid.

accphotography Sun, 11/07/2010 - 20:32

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Very awesome. it's a pretty unusual presentation of roan but I have seen it a couple of times (in Welsh and Morgans who also seem to have odd forms of roan).

greenlich Sat, 11/13/2010 - 00:29

Another roan question, on another thread it was mentioned that roan is linked to extension.
I know a palomino roan mare so does that mean she can only have palomino or chestnut roan foals? What if the sire of the possible foals is bay (gone grey) with no recessive red gene?

RiddleMeThis Sat, 11/13/2010 - 00:46

Roan (well KIT really) is tied to extension. So the palomino mare will pass Roan with only ONE of her "e"s. it doesn't really matter as much with red based horses as it does for black.

A palomino roan when bred to a bay will produce 50/50 roan just like everyone else. But a heterozygous black bay roan bred to a palomino will either have black based roans or red based roans.

pablo Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:39

She's welsh ? What section is she Cheyaut? I have a section b mare ,which would be very refined but your welsh is a totally different shape . Are the welsh in the USA bred finer ? Mine is downland ,rotherwood and keston breeding mostly !

pablo Mon, 11/22/2010 - 04:33

All beautiful horses cheyaut ,I'd say it's because she is a yearling that she looked so different . Isn't her sire a gorgeous colour . I only aked because I wondered if in the USA that they were breeding them lighter boned ,your yearling has very long refined legs which would be more typical of the bs than the a" s . My dad used to buy from coed coch stud in wales when I was a child ,mostly the ones that weren't going to be shown . As I child I would run up to Shem ,demanding to see madog !!It became a ritual or maybe he saw it as a annoying kid!lol!

CheyAut Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:05

RF, I need to measure her, but she's probably around 11.2, 11.3? Here she is with an 11.1h shetland, but I think she grew and inch or so since then?
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Same time frame, but with 16h TB
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And taken last week, next to 13.3h half arab (sorry bad phone pic with bad lighting lol)
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