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I love this stallions foals!

I've been meaning to post him for a while as I've watched his foals being born, but just hadn't got around to it. I was going to ask if you thought he was tobiano, but I think his latest foal confirms that? Well and the other out of a solid. Everyone assumed he was just a 'Blagdon'. Which is what they call the loudly marked 'solids' or non tobianos. The markings on his foals I find quite interesting. Often with heaps of colour but still sometimes white faces and roaning. If there is tobiano on him it seems quite minimal, but if he has a white suppression gene it's certainly not effecting the sabino/dominant white or whatever it is. Or the splashed white faces either. Sorry for all the pictures. If you'd prefer I can just put links? Anyway though you might like to see! The stallion Natwest [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs428.ash1/23690_1103829923…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs132.snc3/17936_1014662632…] Some of his foals Peaches [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs015.ash2/34117_1332141833…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs132.snc4/36940_1332135867…] Jackpot Filly [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs089.ash2/37803_1405636259…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs189.snc4/37803_1405636126…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs116.ash2/39150_1405638693…] Talk of the Town [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs553.snc3/30282_1276798605…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs123.ash2/39467_1393589360…] Little Peach [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs087.ash2/37676_1388858261…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs246.snc4/39649_1388862394…] Thomas' Treasure [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs373.snc4/45612_1471415086…] Bruiser Colt [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs201.snc4/38398_1346216899…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs238.snc4/39215_1393583027…] Zebra Colt [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs193.snc4/37977_1415012058…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/38964_1415015058…] Duchess [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs036.ash2/35180_1332231767…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs076.snc4/35180_1332231800…] Natwest's Treasure [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs066.ash2/36663_1308770836…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs126.snc4/36663_1308770736…] Little Diamond Last one out of a solid mare [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs401.snc4/46417_1475272719…] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs201.ash2/46417_1475272886…] There is another couple of more white, really roany ones too out of more white tobi mares. But I guess you seen enough now! Cheers Danni

Danni Fri, 09/03/2010 - 15:51

Would you have said he was tobi without seeing the foals from solid mares?

I like how quite a few of his foals get the more black bodies but with fairly white faces, looks cool I reckon!

JNFerrigno Sat, 09/04/2010 - 00:49

I'd have considered him a tobiano with out looking at the foals. However I think he's tobi-splash, or tobi-splash-sab. But that last mare isn't solid tho (unless tested?) I see sabino in her. I thought Blagdon was reserved for sabino-type horses?

Danni Sat, 09/04/2010 - 02:43

They seem to have 3 visual categories. Solid, which includes any non loud white markings, socks/blazes etc.. Blagdon, non tobianos but with loud white markings, belly splashes and/or heavy roaning. Coloured, the tobiano ones, including if it's combined with splash/sabino etc..

On Natwest, yes the sabino/splash etc.. is obvious. I just didn't think the tobiano was so obvious. I thought he might be but wasn't sure until those foals from solids.

rabbitsfizz Sun, 09/05/2010 - 10:08

He is a typical Blagdon, in the true, Gypsy usage of the word, this is the pattern we called Blagdon when I was a kid.
He obviously is not Tobiano, he may [i]have[/i] Tobiano, is that what you meant?
Yes, Blagdon in the true meaning of the word is a Sabino/Splash types, as in the Welsh, with loads of unattached white.

Danni Sun, 09/05/2010 - 22:56

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]He obviously is not Tobiano, he may [i]have[/i] Tobiano, is that what you meant?[/quote]

Same diff ;-) To my mind, if a horse 'has' tobiano, then they 'are' tobiano. I mean as in unlike recessive genes where they hide in a single dose.

So he might look like a typical Blagdon (which I certainly agree he does), but he obviously has, and is, tobiano as well! Which is certainly not usual in what they call Blagdon. The owners of this horse definately didn't expect him to be able to have coloured foals to solid mares, as they thought he was a Blagdon in the most basic sense. That was what I meant... if that makes sense!! :-D

[quote="accphotography"]I'm definitely seeing dominant white and splash.[/quote]

Yeh I thought you might say that, I can see it too. With the dominant white I mean. He's a bit different to the typical tested sb1's too. Another thing in the DW favour to my mind, is the lack of white in the tobiano etc.. The sb1 roany ones seem to cause more maximum expression of the tobaino too when present. Actually they are testing him for tobiano now, I should get them to check sb1 to make sure.

accphotography Sun, 09/05/2010 - 23:20

Those two are the only reasons I'd say he "likely does". They probably do, but I would NOT be shocked if they didn't (and I agree the mares are not).

rabbitsfizz Mon, 09/06/2010 - 15:44

Blagdon was/is a pattern it did not negate the possibility of Tobiano, I am pretty sure some of the original Welsh Cobs had Tobiano, anyway, then it was decided this was not acceptable, also the mountain ponies. Sabino/Splash is just as able to throw a fully patterned horse as Tobiano, so why would people not think a Blagdon (whatever definition you put on it) wouldn't be able to do this?
I have seen some WILD Welsh cross ponies, in fact out crossing them , even to non patterned animals, seemed to bring it out!

thorwood Mon, 09/06/2010 - 19:20

Very flashy markings Danni.

I have seen a pic of a foal by a splash stallion (no tobi or frame) out of a plain coloured TB mare with markings as flashy as the one above.

raknrydr Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:23

Wow they are all beautiful, I would take any of them.
My husband said he had a dream the other night that I had sold my Tobi TWH mare for some kind of a spotted drafty hairy Yak kind of a thing, maybe he was dreaming of your boy ! LOL