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I love his markings.

LunaAyn March 03, 2011 March 03, 2011

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:bigsmile: This is Bozo He is a 2010 APHA chestnut and white tobiano stud colt, we think he is homozygous for the tob gene but he has not been tested. his sire is bay and white homozygous tob and his dam is chestnut and white a heterozygous tob we just love his markings also is a picture of his dam Tiny she has some killer face markings also. [img=400x300]http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k106/KarrilAyn/June222010026.jpg[/img] [img=400x300]http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k106/KarrilAyn/IMG_7284.jpg[/img]

LunaAyn Thu, 03/03/2011 - 16:53

Thank you I just love the Odd markings, all the ones that don't follow the rules :bigsmile:
Bozo is a little cutie, we were going to keep him a a stud but we have his daddy and blood lines, so hes been put up for sale... he will make someone an awesome horse.

Hey What The Thu, 03/03/2011 - 23:53

Lovely markings :) Is it possible that Bozo is tovero? Or is it sabino that is messing with his markings? Love the eye patch BTW lol

LunaAyn Fri, 03/04/2011 - 00:10

Well there is no overo in his background, so I don't think there is a way he could be tovero.
he has not been tested for sabino.
as far as we know he is 100% tob. lol :)

rodeoratdogs Fri, 03/04/2011 - 09:33

[quote=LunaAyn]Well there is no overo in his background, so I don't think there is a way he could be tovero.
he has not been tested for sabino.
as far as we know he is 100% tob. lol :)[/quote]

Has his paper's come back from APHA yet? I would be shocked with his face markings that they would not register him as a Tovero, if he is to be kept a stud I would definitely test him for Frame Overo,(unless his parent's already are both negative) he looks to be like he carries at least one color pattern that APHA would classify as Overo, either frame, splash or sabino. There is no way to be sure there is no "Overo" in his background unless every horse in his background has been tested, frame is esspecially good at hiding that is why AQHA now register's loud colored frame positive horses because 2 solid QH's can and do still consistantly produce loud colored Frame overo Paint horses.

The neck marking on the Dam looks really frame Overo to me.

Monsterpony Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:47

I would never, ever trust a registry as to whether a horse has frame or not because they are notoriously inaccurate. Horses that look tobiano can very, very easily be hiding frame. For example: http://www.equine-color.info/gallery/v/…
And this horse is frame positive: http://www.equine-color.info/gallery/v/…

Your colt would be considered tovero (blech, I hate that word) because he is definitely tobiano + splash + ?

rabbitsfizz Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:52

He quite obviously, since Tobiano does not give you face white, does have at least Splash White, and so, probably Sabino.
He is not "a" Tobiano, he is a Tobiano based animal who actually is not even classic Tobi in his markings.....

rodeoratdogs Fri, 03/04/2011 - 13:18

.........and that's the reason his markings are so cool BTW, is because he is not just Tobiano FYI ;) . and neither is his Dam IMO. Those face markings of her's are not just Tobi.

LunaAyn Fri, 03/04/2011 - 13:21

Okay after all this talking I was looking at his pedigree, and on his Dams side there is a horse Named "Yuccas M M" she is marked Overo out of two Quarter horses, I cant find a picture of her anywhere so I don't know what overo pattern she was if any one can find a picture of her Id love to see it

we have gotten his papers he is registered Tob, his daddy "Ice" passes the medicine hat gene throws very weird patterns witch could also be a factor here, Ill attach pictures of some of Ice's babies.
the first two pictures are full brothers

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and last but not least here is a photo of Ice him self
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I want to Thank every one for there comments, I love learning things that I dident know and exploring the possibility of something this is why I love horse genetics!

Monsterpony Fri, 03/04/2011 - 13:38

Ice is splash and tobiano for sure. There is no such thing as a medicine hat gene. Medicine hat is just a term to describe a phenotype that shows up in a number different white patterns.

Your boy being registered as only tobiano is a perfect example of why we don't pay any attention to registries; he is most definitely not solely tobiano. APHA is notorious for their terrible job with identifying patterns. The fact that they even still only use tobiano, tovero and overo is a sign that they have no clue. Overo is a word that means nothing more than 'any white pattern that isn't tobiano' of which there are several. And when two registered 'tobianos' pop out a lethal white over syndrome foal, it is really quite sad. I hope that you are not taking this as a rant directed at you; I am just so very annoyed at APHA and I feel that there needs to be some serious changes in that registry.

rodeoratdogs Fri, 03/04/2011 - 13:39

APHA call's frame overo,(which is the true overo) splash,& sabino all overo, from the looks of it, all of these babies carry at least splash and I am also seeing frame overo, as well a sabino on some of them.

critterkeeper Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:04

There is no doubt in my mind that colt in the OP is carrying splash and in most liklihood frame...and I think it came from his sire as his other foal has that "frame" look as well (esp. that neck patch looks framy to me)...oh and the last one, I'm betting carries one of the sabinos (look at that star - it is the same shape as my frame positive Maya, but is also very roany)

rabbitsfizz Sat, 03/05/2011 - 11:16

"overo" is a term I automatically ignore, it means absolutely nothing at all, it can describe anything form Sabino through to Frame, it just means "not Tobiano" and it often has Tobiano lurking in there anyway. To have this wildly marked colt registered as Tobiano is ludicrous, just plain mental. He is not Tobiano, and please do not use tovero anywhere near me either!!
He is Splash/Frame/Tobiano, and should be noted as such in case someone decides to put him to a Frame mare.
It really does pain me that the registry that purports to register "Paint" horses cannot even be bothered to learn the very basics of pattern recognition. They should be in the forefront of this.
FYFI Tobiano prevents face white of any sort, and normally puts white on at least three feet, so you have to have another pattern present to have white on the face. Many horses with "normal" white markings are Splash and Sabino in minimal, which is how you are now getting pinto Arabs and TBs- a pattern that has been bred against, actively for hundreds of years, has lain dormant, carried from generation to generation in minimal, and is now bred [i] for [/i] and is expressing fully. Anyway, that is what happened in Arabs, in TBs I think it is down to fence jumpers, myself! ;)

Monsterpony Sat, 03/05/2011 - 11:50

I would strongly recommend having Ice tested for frame especially if you are using him on 'overo' or untested mares. The test is only $25 and that is a lot cheaper than the cost of losing a foal to LWO.