Frame + ??? on paint filly

Pretty marked filly. She looks Frame and Splash.
Frame can and does cross the top line with other patterns helping ( I think there are a few examples of Frame only also) so I don't see why it wouldn't do the same underneath.

In this case though- I think it is Splash helping out.

I agree with FF but would also add the Sabino - the eyes look very sabino to me.

[quote="lipigirl"]I agree with FF but would also add the Sabino - the eyes look very sabino to me.[/quote]
Agreed with lipigirl. Has three of the "overo" patterns. Splash, frame, and sabino.

OK so where did the splash come from? If somebody sees it in the sire, can they point it out to me? I understand the larger characteristics of splash but if he has some of the finer nuances I'm missing it. This is pretty much why I posted her...I too think SHE looks like she has all three but don't know where the splash portion came from. THANKS!! :flower

ARGH, we are not three days into 2010 and you had to go and give me an overo headache!!!!
Honestly, what is the point?? :sign
Anyway, since the test for Frame is $25.00 I would really really advise you, whether you intend to breed her or not, to have her tested.
If it's stamped on her papers no-one in the future can say they didn't know.
The fact that she has very little leg white would indicate that Frame is present.
She is a very pretty filly, what breeding??

jafo, Splash is notorious for "lurking" sometimes just a partial blue eye is all you get!!! Also, Sabino and Splash are more than often together.....I do not think I have seen a horse that it obviously only Sabino...(I do mean a visual Pinto btw, not just socks and blaze) although I am sure they do exist.

Hi Rabbit, thanks for your insights. I guess the point would be I am trying to figure out what that stallion might produce in the future and this filly clearly (to me) exhibits markings that the stallion doesn't have but I have to figure came from him anyway. What I know about these patterns, though, is strictly from reading some published material (mostly by APHA) and I was hoping to get a broader perspective from all the fine and knowledgeable folks here :)

As far as her breeding, she is by the stallion in the link in the OP if you want the visual (he is by Zippos Sensation out of a Docs Prescription/Zans Par bred mare) and her dam is a daughter of Good Asset. I appreciate the compliments given on her...I just got her myself on Sunday but her sire is a permanent part of our family, hence the interest in his production. This is the first baby (in 3 small crops) that has exhibited these characteristics out of a solid mare.

Thanks again for all the great help and insights. The fact that splash is known to "lurk" is a huge piece of info I was previously unaware of.

Sabino is pretty much a given, and is displayed in many different ways in very nearly all horse breeds...that's why I didn't mention it. :rofl

Look to the dam, it's very possible that she has splash. What's the star on her face like? I've a filly with no leg white, and just a bit of nose and forehead white (can't really call it a star), that I'm pretty sure is carrying splash.

Diane

The splash could easily have come from the sire. As RF said, splash can be very minimal. However, I see splash characteristics in the sire's face white.

Sabino is definitely there based on those eye rings.

I hate to say it as it is embarrassing, but APHA is a terrible source for color information sadly. :oops:

Is splash something that can be cumulative? Is there much known about how it's expressed (if there's a resource or a thread on here, feel free to point me in a direction instead of repeating what everyone else already knows!) ?

As to the question regarding the mare's star...I don't remember what it looks like and don't have a picture of her face. :cry:

What I do have are a couple of pictures of full siblings if that is at all helpful:

Splash, Sabino and some pretty foals + a stuffed owl....what more can you possibly want?? :rofl
I would say those animals are definitely exhibiting Splash, btw.

Oh yes that 2008 foal SCREAMS splash!

I don't think it's cumulative. However, one could be breeding in or out certain levels of expression possibly. It's believed to be an incomplete dominant.

Just so you know, ACC does a LOT of screaming !!! LOL !! :rofl

Yes they look Splash too ! :D

Thank you all for the help. I think what I'm hearing is that the splash helps affect the style or shape of the spots but the actual amount of white may vary tremendously based on expression...and evidently there isn't a good predictor of expression? I'm trying to read between the lines and get to what I think is important. In the beginning we really thought this stallion was only going to be a 50% color producer (on solid mares) but he has ended up being higher than that (so far, with an admittedly small sample) but that statistic, along with the expression of sabino and splash evident in the foals, is what made me so interested.

And the owl isn't stuffed, he is just plastic! His job is to scare away rats I think LOL. He's been sitting on that post for years at my mom's house :rofl

I would say that stallion should produce about 70-80%. Technically it should be 93%, however the three overo patterns can often be present without showing enough color for regular registry.