DC's pattern. *Now with Photos on page one*!!!

This is a question for someone else (probably NZ), but I'm dying to know the answer. I once knew a pony (likely POA) who had a blanket and very little roaning but he had obvious brown on brown spots on his body. I always wondered what made them noticeable. I figure it's likely roaning coming in except in the spots and highlighting the spots. This would tend to make one think leopard or near leopard is involved, but I disagree. Since PATN is what causes the true white pattern (blanket, near leopard, leopard, etc.) then if the horse only starts with a blanket, it only HAS a blanket genetically. I personally believe that LP determines the spots and places them ALL OVER the body (so yes, even LP with no PATN would have spots and this would also explain how spots show up as some roan). Then it's up to PATN to decide how many of them will show. JMHO.

So what, now I have a horse with [i]three[/i] flipping patterns?
Blanket, Leopard [i]and[/i] varnish??
Gee thanks, this was supposed to make it [i]easier[/i]....now go look up the definition of "easier :rofl "

Ok I was wrong and it had slipped my mind. He didn't have a blanket. I remember now I used to wonder if he was LP with no PATN. The photos don't show it but the spots were pretty much all over his body (or wherever there was enough roaning to highlight them):

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And his head for comparison to your boy:
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And just because it's cool, his "copper" black leg and striped hoof:
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FWIW my blanket mare had roaning on her face but very, very little on her body (as a 9yo):
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It's things like that that make me think that PATN theory is not correct. I think there are genes that control white expression of Lp, but I don't think it is as discreet as PATN1=leopard, PATN2=blanket, etc. There is just too much variation.

[quote="Monsterpony"]It's things like that that make me think that PATN theory is not correct. I think there are genes that control white expression of Lp, but I don't think it is as discreet as PATN1=leopard, PATN2=blanket, etc. There is just too much variation.[/quote]
This, makes absolutely no sense to me personally.

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]So what, now I have a horse with [i]three[/i] flipping patterns?
Blanket, Leopard [i]and[/i] varnish??
Gee thanks, this was supposed to make it [i]easier[/i]....now go look up the definition of "easier :rofl "[/quote]
I find that native spearmint tea works well at times like this...LOL

Black based LP horses can also have suppression going on.

I believe the PATN2=blanket theory was tossed out a long time ago. There IS a PATN1=leopard gene (it's been narrowed down to a specific location, and is NOT in the same area as the LP gene). There are thought to be many genes that control the amount of white. The more pattern-helping genes that the horse inherits, the larger the area of dense white patterning.

He is now washed, so he's clean but still has long hairy boots on and my camera "died" (it is carp, it really is) so no pictures yet.
Dark, very dark, but not obviously black, spots, all over body, and although the ones on his head are harder to see, they are there!
The blanket is white, not roan, this is DC last year....
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Ah, see, I had forgotten you could see some of the spots last year, there are definitely more this year, though, well, more evident anyway...

Do you think I should shorten that mane....it's got a lot longer, it is nice, but maybe not show-nice??

I always say shorten, but you know me...

Yes, I have decided I shall, it looks tatty like that....right after I have finished :bounce up and down on the little son of an unmarried mother's head!!
Got the legs done, but how he and I both survived, I do not know!!

[quote="Monsterpony"]It's things like that that make me think that PATN theory is not correct. I think there are genes that control white expression of Lp, but I don't think it is as discreet as PATN1=leopard, PATN2=blanket, etc. There is just too much variation.[/quote]

I'm willing to accept that there could be one gene for Patn1, but agree with the rest. For me, using "Patn" is just a short-hand way of talking about what could be the "lightbulb" for expressing Lp. /shrug/.

Rabbit, I wouldn't give up on him "roaning out" yet. He's still a youngster, and could still work his way up to "varnish roan with blanket with spots" :rofl

Diane

I was expecting him to have gone whiter this year, if anything he is more solid that last. Damn this uncooperative computer, I have good pictures to put up!!!

I adore his pattern as it is. I'm generally not a huge fan of appy patterns, but his looks rather sharp! I guess part of why I like it so much is there's such a nice horse underneath it :love .

Jane, appies can "repigment" (don't ask me how or why, cuz I don't know!), which makes life even more fun! LOL

Diane