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Cremello questions

I have a couple questions about cremellos/double dilutes. Can the skin on a cremello have dark mottling/pigmentation? What shade of blue can their eyes be? I am trying to work out if a horse is cremello or possibly a gold champagne creme or something else. I saw his dam at a distance and looked palomino and the sire is obviously palomino. The colt has dark mottling around his eyes and on his muzzle and his eyes are sort of greenish/pale cream rather than a blue. I haven't actually spent any time looking at double dilutes in person so I don't know how blue the eyes are really or how pink the skin.

lipigirl Fri, 11/20/2009 - 05:43

Yes I agree, they can be quite close to look at but a LOT of DDs have speckled skin and other than blue eyes.

rabbitsfizz Fri, 11/20/2009 - 09:17

Not where I come from, they don't!!
I have never seen or heard of a CrCr that did not have blue eyes, not ever, sorry.
And, although I have occasionally seen a few spots on the eyelids, nothing like as dark as the pictures ACC posted, I would have said that was indicative of something else being in there as well, possibly (obviously) Appy!
I would imagine, even though I have never seen it, that a CrCr could have a diluted form of the mottling that Palomino have on their skin, but all the ones I have had, and bred, have typically had pure pink skin and pure pink noses and eyelids.

accphotography Fri, 11/20/2009 - 13:31

:rofl Yes, in general it is blue. From a distance it looks like a golden blue (if such a thing is possible). up close it is truly marbled hazel and blue. Can you see the brown/hazel in that photo or do I need to up the contrast?

lipigirl Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:39

Eye looks green to me!!! I wish I could get a picture from my friend of he DD that looked exactly like a Champagne with mottling on pink skin and was not Champers !...and I've seen it since too........not too sure about the green eyes though ! :o

Monsterpony Sat, 11/21/2009 - 01:55

That is just what I wanted to hear. I met this horse briefly and got all the pedigree info from the owner. From that, I wrote up a genetic profile, foaling outcomes and testing recommendations. Afterwards, I got a much better look at the horse and went "oh snap, what is going on here?!" Glad to hear that I don't have to rewrite a five page document.

rabbitsfizz Sat, 11/21/2009 - 11:17

I can see a discoloured ring round the outside of the eye but I honestly see nothing unusual about that. The eye colour is still blue, as are the eyes of all CrCr animals as far as I know.....

lipigirl Sat, 11/21/2009 - 12:45

Look I know I am colourblind - shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone !! Yes truely I am red/green colour blind all the men on both sides of my parents family are colour blind except my brother which is VERY weird but then he is a little different. It is very rare for us girlies to be colourblind as it's a male dominant gene which my Mum carried resisively..............anyways - that eye is not blue it's green !!!!....sorry it's taken me 5 yrs to tell you guys. :oops:

And no jokes about ...well I always thought you couldn't tell this colour horse from that one...as far as I know there are no green horses out there !!! ;)

critterkeeper Sat, 11/21/2009 - 14:01

:rofl :love My dad was color blind, but thank heavens none of us inherited that problem (although my son swears I can't tell green lights from red when driving :booty )....

accphotography Sun, 11/22/2009 - 04:00

That eye is NOT just a normal blue. Unfortunately I am away from home for over a week and do not have the original of that photo handy so I could crop in and give you a LARGE version to see, but having seen it in person I can assure you it is not a normal blue, it is MARBLED (not multiple shades of blue, it is marbled blue and brown).

rabbitsfizz Sun, 11/22/2009 - 10:22

OK, I'll take your word for it that it is as you say it is, but that just makes it an anomaly, not a rule!! :booty

The same horse has the obvious spots around the eyes and nose, and I have never seen those on a CrCr either....are you sure there is not something else going on??
That would be the easiest reason, and I do like easy answers.....

accphotography Sun, 11/22/2009 - 13:31

You tell me... he's a Thoroughbred. :D

(FWIW, I saw about 10 DD Thoroughbreds recently and every single one of them had some dark mottling.)

Dilutes Wed, 12/02/2009 - 03:47

Both the pictures of the same eye look goldish and slightly green. Not the normal cremello eye I'd expect. Lovely looking eye imo!

lillith Thu, 12/03/2009 - 05:18

Acc are you sure the horse is not a champaign and creme pseudocremello? that looks almost like a champaign eye to me and the speckles on the skin would fit.

RiddleMeThis Thu, 12/03/2009 - 06:46

[quote="lillith"]Acc are you sure the horse is not a champaign and creme pseudocremello? that looks almost like a champaign eye to me and the speckles on the skin would fit.[/quote]
Horse is a TB and is most definitely Cremello and not Champagne.