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Looking Glass vs Rabbit

Daylene Alford May 02, 2010 February 22, 2011

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Yesterday Rabbit sent an email saying this person had just joined and they were sending her threatening emails. I asked her for forward one to me and she did. I talked with her a bit more and found out she had a "history" with a lady at Looking Glass Farm. So I blocked Looking Glass from sending emails and PM's through the forum. I also suspect that rabbit replied to one of the emails (she didn't say) because this person got her email address and started sending her emails directly which she blocked through her email client. A bit later in the evening I received the following email. [quote]Hi, I had to join your website/forum due to one of your members RABBITFIZ who is JANE HANDS of Shadowplay miniture horses UK making defammatory statements about me and my stud farm. She actually posted a LINK directly to my advert on Horse Deals website and then put. quote:- I KNOW THIS ADVERTISER, AND I MISTRUST HER DEEPLY" there was more too~) but this alone is DEFAMMATION OF CHARACTER and she has deliverately put people off buying our AMHA registered miniature horse by doing this illeagal action. We will be using Lawyers and printing out the offensive page from YOUR forum. I will email a link to the actual discussion that was on your forum in 2009. It was bad enough to say what she did but to add a link to our LIVE advert is so very bad and disgusting. I was alerted by several shocked people in Irelend including the Chairman of the Miniature Horse Association of Irelend. I am most disapointed that your ADMIN didnt stop this as it happened. Please await next email with actual link. Thankyou A. Loffet LOOKING GLASS STUD FARM established in 1973. MINIATURE HORSE INFORMATION Free help and expert advice given on all aspects of owning, showing, buying, breeding Miniature Horses. [/quote] Does anyone have any idea what she is talking about? and in 2009? I mean get real that was months ago. Anyway I replied immediately with an email asking for a link to the post she's referencing but of course haven't received a reply. I just wanted to keep you guys posted. [quote]but this alone is DEFAMMATION OF CHARACTER[/quote] This is not defamation of character btw this is an opinion. Defamation of character would be saying I know this person and she is a lier.

Sara Sun, 05/02/2010 - 11:53

I have no recollection of the post or thread in question.

I agree though, saying that you don't trust someone is not a defamation of character and I don't think Rabbit or this board have anything to worry about.

Daylene Alford Sun, 05/02/2010 - 13:45

She did email me back with a link to the post and it was started in February 2010 not 2009. You did find the right one Jenks.
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Here is the rest of what she said in the email back to me. I don't think there is any reason to sensor rabbit after reading through the thread but I'm not sure how to reply to this email.

Does anyone disagree? Have a good idea how to reply to her? Suggest that she use a spell check?

[quote]PLEASE SEE BLOW THE LINK , IT WAS SENT TO ME BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MINIATURE HORSE ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND. IT HAS ALREADY DAMAGED MY REPUTATION AS A LOT OF PEOPLKE HAVE SEEN IT. A LOT OF MINIATURE HORSE PEOPLE USE YOUR FORUM/WEBSITE.WORSE OF ALL IS THAT MY DAUGHTER WHO IS NOW TAKING OVER THE LOOKING GLASS STUD FARM IS CHARIMAN OF THE ANGLO EUROPEAN MINIATURE HORSE SOCIETY and needs a very good reputation, Thankyou for looking into it. the woman (Jane Hands apparently does not have a good reputation as she does this sort of thing a lot. Her Horse Farm is called SHADOWPLAY MINIATURES. IREALLY THINK SHE MUIST BE STOPPED. I hope you agree, and thanks again. Please scroll down for link to offensive post.[/quote]

Jenks Sun, 05/02/2010 - 15:52

It's hard to believe that one person stating that they don't trust her is affecting her reputation. It must not be very stable if that is the case.

Jenks Sun, 05/02/2010 - 16:45

Most people I know would laugh it off....

I'd email her back and state that people are free to trust who they want on this forum and state it if it so pleases them. However, no one is allowed to come in here and stir up stuff for the sole purpose of baiting or stalking a member. (?) Much less try to drag a battle in the door.

Perhaps throw in some, "I appreciate your email" or some PC such items.

Rabbit, while she is opinionated and ornery, has pretty much always be fair and decent. And I'm pretty sure she knows what she can and cannot say legally.

Maigray Sun, 05/02/2010 - 16:54

What Jenks said..If she has a personal issue with Rabbitsfizz, let her handle it privately and not through this board. It's not your problem. That thread long ago ended. If she wants it taken down so badly, she can contact an attorney and see how far she gets. If you want to follow up, you might try contacting the Chairman she speaks of and check out if he is aware of this issue.

NZ Appaloosas Sun, 05/02/2010 - 20:21

I agree with Maigray...basically, we follow the freedom of speech principle, as long as things are either stated as an opinion (which stating that XYZ does not trusting someone is, really) or backed up by fact. /shrug/

Remind her to not let the door hit her on her way out... :booty

Diane

Daylene Alford Mon, 05/03/2010 - 11:03

She sent me another email this morning full the the same. This is how I responded.

[quote]I did read through the thread. By stating "I know this advertise and deeply mistrust her" she is stating her opinion not defaming your character. Defaming would be if she had said I know this person and she is a liar. I did delete the thread so it won't cause you any more trouble but I won't sensor rabbit. [/quote]

I figure the thread was dead anyway and deleting it is no loss.

Daylene

Daylene Alford Mon, 05/03/2010 - 11:39

[quote]OK, but she is a huge sisliked trouble maker and the POLICE in the UK have linked her with a person who is being prosecuted for casing actual bodily harm by harrasement aided and abetted by this awful well known trouble maker and very nasty 'gossip'

I have seen so much bullying on forums such a dagerous place as the creeps and gossips are always trouble on t ehm.

My daughter will be seeing the well kinown trouvbble maker at a show msoon and the offending forum has been rpinted out and sent to all the Miniature Hiorse organiasations so she may well get reprimaned.

I am so not impressed with how lightly you take PUTTING link to our advert.

It HAS offended us and could well have lost us sales. yet you still want the trouble maker on your site.

Wow.

That is not what we tolerate in Britian

and color is missspelt isn't it. In the Oxford ENGLISH dictionary it is spelt colour.

Please take it that we will not use or recommend your site via our big mini horse society.

From your British cousins

Wow how arrogant of you
Bye[/quote]

Maigray Mon, 05/03/2010 - 13:15

What an idiot. You can tell her how long Rabbitsfizz has been a part of our forum, as well as the numerous other Britons who are on here, and what they think of it. We often use direct links to sites precisely because we don't want people using photos without permission. She put her horse up in a public ad - if she was not prepared for what came with it, that is her own problem. I would inform Rabbitsfizz of what she has been saying and I would contact that Association too, because she is slinging around a lot of mud and could face some repercussions.

Jenks Mon, 05/03/2010 - 13:19

Is she saying she's printing out our forum to hand out and slander? Or she is printing the thread to hand out? Now it could be said that she is now making threats against our forum....but we can laugh it off! LOL

Sara Mon, 05/03/2010 - 13:22

I think she means she printed the thread (that's my translation from her English to my English anyway). Who do you think should talk to Rabbit? Daylene?

Daylene Alford Mon, 05/03/2010 - 14:00

I hadn't mentioned to Rabbit that I had been contacted by her. I was just going to let it go. I wasn't even planning on responding to that last email, but I guess I should inform her of what was said so she can be prepared in case Looking Glass tries to cause more trouble on her end.

NZ Appaloosas Mon, 05/03/2010 - 19:37

[quote="admin"][quote]OK, but she is a huge sisliked trouble maker and the POLICE in the UK have linked her with a person who is being prosecuted for casing actual bodily harm by harrasement aided and abetted by this awful well known trouble maker and very nasty 'gossip'

I have seen so much bullying on forums such a dagerous place as the creeps and gossips are always trouble on t ehm.

My daughter will be seeing the well kinown trouvbble maker at a show msoon and the offending forum has been rpinted out and sent to all the Miniature Hiorse organiasations so she may well get reprimaned.

I am so not impressed with how lightly you take PUTTING link to our advert.

It HAS offended us and could well have lost us sales. yet you still want the trouble maker on your site.

Wow.

That is not what we tolerate in Britian

and color is missspelt isn't it. In the Oxford ENGLISH dictionary it is spelt colour.

Please take it that we will not use or recommend your site via our big mini horse society.

From your British cousins

Wow how arrogant of you
Bye[/quote][/quote]

Uhm, yeah, I have a feeling that this is a lot more "bordering" on defamation than anything Rabbit said in the thread.

[quote]the POLICE in the UK have linked her with a person who is being prosecuted for casing actual bodily harm by harrasement aided and abetted by this awful well known trouble maker and very nasty 'gossip' [/quote]

Last I knew, the cops in the UK were like cops pretty much anywhere in the western world, and didn't take any sort of action against "nasty gossips". As for being linked, well, I guess I could be "linked" to some seriously 'troubled' persons due to working in criminal defence...

And in the legal world, including criminal justice, "actual bodily harm" does not ever fall into "harrassment" (please note the proper spelling! :booty :rofl ), it is either "Assault" or "Greivous Bodily Injury", unless it moves up into more serious charges i.e., "attempted murder". I somehow can't see Rabbit trying to actually murder her.

Now, in light of Rabbit's recent revelation of a relationship break-up, I have to wonder how much this has to do with that...

Oh, and yes, she is right..."colour" is the accepted spelling of "color" in places such as the UK, Australia, NZ. However, "spelt" is actually a very old type of grain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt). The use of "spelt" for "spelled" went the wayside sometime shortly after Shakespeare's writing days, I believe...

Diane

lipigirl Tue, 05/04/2010 - 09:52

OK, my penny worth now I have caught up with this thread, am in UK and into minis. Jane is not particularly liked over here by quite a few mini breeders.....this is not a slanderous comment it's a fact. LookingGlass stud has not got the best reputation. The society she talked about is a new one and to be honest there are SO many new mini horse societies springing up I was even wondering whether or not I should make up one called - Miniature Horse Club of the Universe !!!! :rofl I would not even bother RF with this kind of childish comments and I also would not worry too much about upsetting LookingGlass, she probably had it coming to her. I am also wondering if this goes back to Casilda and Kim and and the fact we didnt ban Slaneyrose - as they are all based in Ireland too. I agree that if you place an advert on the Internet you have to be prepared for others to link it to websites - otherwise DON'T post it !!

Lastly, I don't think I have ever met so many disagreeable people as I have through the mini horses, yes I have 3 very good mini horse breeders as friends but there is SO much back stabbing and slander going on in the UK with it and so many people willing to neglect thier minis - it is a real shame just because they are small the wrong type of people buy a couple then breed from them - it's very upsetting. :sad

Jenks Tue, 05/04/2010 - 10:27

LOL

I don't know anything about the Casilda and Kim thing? but I don't feel bad banning Looking Glass because she was only here to harass Rabbit.

Daylene Alford Tue, 05/04/2010 - 15:56

[quote]Oh, and yes, she is right..."colour" is the accepted spelling of "color" in places such as the UK, Australia, NZ. However, "spelt" is actually a very old type of grain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt). The use of "spelt" for "spelled" went the wayside sometime shortly after Shakespeare's writing days, I believe...[/quote]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl