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VERY Minimal Roan on Palomino (Results came today 4/22)

TheSwingHorse April 08, 2011 April 22, 2011

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Typically, I post about horses I find or have questions about that aren't mine. But this time, its one of our boys! lol This is Tweetie (Olenas King Texas), he is a 2006 palomino QH stallion. This winter I had some sneaking thoughts that he may be hiding roan since his winter fuzzies really mimicked roan (dark legs, dark face, etc) but in the summer, he sheds out to this amaaaazing golden palomino with dapples (he also gets sort of sooty and some bendor marks). I was grooming him yesterday and noticed some marks on his neck that reminded me of corn marks on a roan. He is pretty much done shedding but his chest is still very light. His sire is a buckskin but MUST be hiding roan or has minimal roan somewhere (hubby says no, but he has never looked at something minimal before and I only have one photo to go off of). He has a blue roan two generations back (found him online, hes for sure blue roan) and his dam from that horse was palomino and could also easily hide roan. Reason I say it must be him is because we have a blue roan stallion that is by the same buckskin whose mom I HAVE seen and she is for sure just black and has never foaled any other roans besides our boy, Blue. So here is Tweetie.. the photos really don't express it the way you can see in person. The light was bad and hes so shiny its hard to distinguish. I'm going to probably take some more photos today if it doesn't rain. [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] Here is the sire: [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Olenas%20King%20T…] Yea... NOT a good pic. lol This is the half brother we own(same sire). [IMG]http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv28/hoodsey_stock/Kellys%20Blue%20K…] Pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/olenas+king+texas The blue roan 3 gens back is this guy: http://www.gallopingbreezeranch.com/uploads/PocoFourble.jpg Let me know what you think guys. :) We plan to test him but $50 is sort of on reserve right now.. just paid $1100 in bills and gotta buy hay this week. Next check we will for sure be testing him. And I'll try to get some better photos today. :)

JNFerrigno Sat, 04/09/2011 - 05:44

It'd be interesting to find out. He looks sooty to me, so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. But your question reminded me of this Palomino I worked with during the summers. Never saw what his coat was in the winter time, but he was an all in all really light palomino, and had noticible white hairs on his body, not on the legs or the head. I used to groom him and think he was a palomino roan LOL.

http://jnferrigno.deviantart.com/art/Fo…

The other palomino roan I've seen had more redish looking points, like your guy in wintertime.

Daylene Alford Sat, 04/09/2011 - 07:38

That is a tough call. I was leaning toward no mostly because the pic of his sire but in the last pic he does seem to have those roan V's on his knees. Wish I could see him in person.

TheSwingHorse Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:02

Can you guys see the "corn marks" on his neck and chest? In person it is so noticeable but I can't seem to capture it on film..

Monsterpony Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:32

I see what you are pointing out. They could be corn marks. Why are cream horses so good at hiding everything? :-? :rofl

Daylene Alford Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:14

They will still do the test. Because the test looks for a marker that travels with roan and not the actual roan mutation it is more accurate if they have the parents also.

TheSwingHorse Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:15

Crap! So today I ordered and printed the test for Tweetie to get his roan zygosity test done. Its already paid for. I have never done a zygosity test before so when I printed it I didn't read anything. Turns out, I have to submit a parent's hair sample too! The breeders are in Texas. The dad is dead (the one I assume he got the roan from as he is the same sire as our Blue) and the mom... I don't even know if they have her anymore. But if she isn't the one I presume roan, does that work??

Am I screwed out of my $50???

TheSwingHorse Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:33

I can probably get the mom's hair... but it will have to come from Texas. There's no roan in her lines. Should I still request it from the breeders?

TheSwingHorse Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:26

Talked to the breeder this morning. She's out on 1100 acres of pasture somewhere in Round Rock, Texas. xD

TheSwingHorse Fri, 04/15/2011 - 00:12

I sent it Monday. lol They received it today.

I swear, he is looking more and more roan on his chest everyday. I'm to the point if it comes back negative, I'd swear it was a mistake! lol

critterkeeper Fri, 04/15/2011 - 16:33

You know there is always a possiblility that in a few years they will have a better test for roan so if it comes back negative, you can always wait and retest later. I am voting roan also, btw. You know, you could have submitted the "brothers" sample with an explanation that the sire was deceased, but that he was a "sibling". :bounce

TheSwingHorse Fri, 04/22/2011 - 16:05

Its official! Tweetie's UC Davis test results came back. :) He is a palomino roan!

"ROAN ZYGOSITY results for Olenas King Texas(DT26914):

N/Rn - Horse has one copy of the Roan gene. Horse will transmit Roan gene to 50% of the offspring."

We are very excited! :)

TheSwingHorse Sat, 04/23/2011 - 15:39

It really isn't too subtle on his chest. The photos really don't show it like in person. Plus his brother (roan came from daddy) made me suspicious. :)