Why does Cash have funky spots?

OH! The free choice minerals!! I started on those last winter - MonsterPony here recommended them due to a lot of issues going on with skin on one of my geldings (vet said fly strikes, but.,....) and dry hair coats - A double dose of wormer 4 weeks apart seemed to fix it, but the minerals? They are all looking so dark (coats) and healthy now! You cannot go wrong offering the free choice loose minerals IMO. They take what they need.

I will hold off on the Tea-cleanz to see if new ones appear then. If so, I'll have a different vet come out.

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]This might be worth a try, I have never use the Hiscorbadyne but have used the vitamins for years, It would be interesting to see if it had any affect, if it was genetic it wouldn't of course.

https://www.dynamitemarketing.com/Custo…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AWWW shoot! the link wont take you right to the Hiscorbadyne but just look under horse products and its there.[/quote]

That's really interesting - all the minerals separate so they can even further choose exactly what they need....

I have a friend that's a rep for Dynamite and she SWEARS by it!

Absolutely! Dynamite is awesome, I have used it for my horses and dogs for years and is and my husband & I are distributors. I haven't used the hiscorbadyne its says it was formulated to increase capillary strength, but is also good for the immune system.
I put my paint gelding I CD SPOT "Doc" on the Dynamite vitamins and dyna-pro when we got him, he had been so neglected and full of round worms. I have had horses that dont even touch the trace minerals but I am going to get my mineral feeders set up again because I think he needs it, I see him licking the dirt from time to time. Look at his before and after pics just since I got him OCT 30th 2009.

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My friend's been trying to get me to get Lace on it... but she'd never have access to it as I could only put it in her stall (well she'd have access for about 30 minutes a day). She does chew wood (not a cribber) and lick dirt... hmmm.

Yeah well just try the small one or ask her to give you a little to try it and if Lacy uses it then get it. I have had some horses that never use it and others need it so they use it. The Izmine is a great product to. I had built a barn at my old property and had my mineral feeders in there, it was all fixed up but then I sold my place because I got the "D" word. Now me and my new husband bought a new place but with no horse property but I lease a 2 acre pasture with a nice little barn from my neighbors just since OCT so I need to get my mineral feeders back in there. When they are licking the dirt they are trying to get minerals out of it and Doc to will chew on old wood, like spongy old logs thats why I'm sure he needs it, I dont know about Annie or Illusion but they may like it too, so the 2 to 1 trace minerals, Izmine and mineral feeders are on my list for our next Dynamite Order.

Actually I had to edit this the 2 to 1 is what I need because I feed grass hay, the 1 to 1 is the one you feed if you feed lugume hay or alfafa.

[quote="Heidi"]How about if both vets are right and both vets are wrong?

IF this 'ringworm' is due to the individual horse having their immune system compromised in some way, a way that manifests in ringworm or ringworm-like appearance ... that could easily explain what is happening.

There is a type of mange in dogs that is very difficult to treat ([i]demodex or demodectic[/i]) and it is also a parasite that *all* dogs carry on them. In healthy dogs, it never presents as an issue. In an immuno-compromised dog, their bodies cannot keep the demodex suppressed and they get a full-blown case of mange.

Perhaps this horse, and Serenity, are having a similar response?[/quote]

I was going to say something similar. Sometimes with fungal or other infections, you have to look for the underlying issue with the immune system as to why this particular horse is getting a major problem from a [i]normally[/i] minor infectious agent.

[quote="Jenks"]OH! The free choice minerals!! I started on those last winter - MonsterPony here recommended them due to a lot of issues going on with skin on one of my geldings (vet said fly strikes, but.,....) and dry hair coats - A double dose of wormer 4 weeks apart seemed to fix it, but the minerals? They are all looking so dark (coats) and healthy now! You cannot go wrong offering the free choice loose minerals IMO. They take what they need.

I will hold off on the Tea-cleanz to see if new ones appear then. If so, I'll have a different vet come out.[/quote]

I keep meaning to make a post to ask if anyone had started the loose minerals and what results they were finding. Glad to hear it worked!

[quote="accphotography"] She does chew wood (not a cribber) and lick dirt... hmmm.[/quote]

Both are definitely signs of mineral deficiency. Can you just hang a bucket on the fence or an outside shelter?

I could, except she's in a field with 4 horses who aren't mine. I could offer it in her stall but I'd guess 30 minutes is not enough. That ans she wears a muzzle when she's out.

You can always top dress something with it. While I prefer to allow the horse to self-supplement, it is better to get on top of the deficiency.

Is there a single product I could give or does it need to be the separate stuff? It just seems expensive to me (I don't mind, I want her healthy, but I don't want to pay for more than I need).

I would start with the Dynamite vitamins and either 2 to 1 or 1 t0 1 free choice minerals depending on what you feed, legume hay is the 1 to 1 and grass you need to 2 to 1. The vitamins for 25 lbs retails for $140 but they only get 1 oz per day so if you do the math that would last one horse over a year at the cost of 35 cents per day so when you compair that to other vitamins which may cost less but you getting less product and you have to feed more the Dynamite is actually way less expensive and much higher qaulity. Now if you just get the 5lb free choice either one is only $30 and that should actually last awhile she'll just lick it as she needs it and once she regulates herself she will lick it less oftened only as she needs it. I would get the mineral feeders and you can just get those online anywhere. Dynamite has them but they are $18 and its 4 compartments, you can probably find and double one online for cheaper, but you do need to keep the minerals out of the rain.
I bet if you put it in her stall she will lick it in the 1/2 hour if she really needs it. The 1 to 1 and the 2 to 1 minerals are kind of a powdery texture, you can tell when they have been licking it because they get a mineral moustache :lol: The Izmine you could ad later if you decide you want to its black volcanic like granules.

Acc, I know you can get it from your friend but anybody else if you are interested in looking at and reading about the products you can go to my website below and then to my links and the Dynamite is the first one and if you see anything you want you can just order right offline from there and it will ship right to you, with the exception of out of the USA then you have to call the office but the phone # is also on there.

[quote="Monsterpony"][quote="Jenks"]OH! The free choice minerals!! I started on those last winter - MonsterPony here recommended them due to a lot of issues going on with skin on one of my geldings (vet said fly strikes, but.,....) and dry hair coats - A double dose of wormer 4 weeks apart seemed to fix it, but the minerals? They are all looking so dark (coats) and healthy now! You cannot go wrong offering the free choice loose minerals IMO. They take what they need.

I will hold off on the Tea-cleanz to see if new ones appear then. If so, I'll have a different vet come out.[/quote]

I keep meaning to make a post to ask if anyone had started the loose minerals and what results they were finding. Glad to hear it worked![/quote]

I'll have to take some pics! Cyn is now dark and Super shiney too....He was SO DRY and light colored last year!

I'll post before and afters - they're at home.

[quote="Jenks"][quote="Monsterpony"][quote="Jenks"]OH! The free choice minerals!! I started on those last winter - MonsterPony here recommended them due to a lot of issues going on with skin on one of my geldings (vet said fly strikes, but.,....) and dry hair coats - A double dose of wormer 4 weeks apart seemed to fix it, but the minerals? They are all looking so dark (coats) and healthy now! You cannot go wrong offering the free choice loose minerals IMO. They take what they need.

I will hold off on the Tea-cleanz to see if new ones appear then. If so, I'll have a different vet come out.[/quote]

I keep meaning to make a post to ask if anyone had started the loose minerals and what results they were finding. Glad to hear it worked![/quote]

I'll have to take some pics! Cyn is now dark and Super shiney too....He was SO DRY and light colored last year![/quote]

Yes I have to take another pic of Doc his coat is such a deep rich shiney red now, the Dynamite really makes their coat the most :HB

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]

Yes I have to take another pic of Doc his coat is such a deep rich shiney red now, the Dynamite really makes their coat the most :HB[/quote]

It is interesting! He also looks like he came up in the withers a whole bunch! Your guy - the before pics are kind of sad.

[quote="Jenks"][quote="rodeoratdogs"]

Yes I have to take another pic of Doc his coat is such a deep rich shiney red now, the Dynamite really makes their coat the most :HB[/quote]

It is interesting! He also looks like he came up in the withers a whole bunch! Your guy - the before pics are kind of sad.[/quote]

Well hes growing, he'll be only be 2 on june 25th, but he so needed TLC and good vitamins, he was so full of round worms that when I first de-wormed him he pooped worms for 2 days and then he coliced. So we had to have the vet out to save his life basically. Then I had to de-worm him 1/2 dose every 2 weeks for 4 times after that so the de-worming in a of itself was hard on his system thats why I put him on the dyna-pro, pro biotic and I still keep him on that every day since his poor little tummy went through so much. My vet said a daily probiotic was a good idea for horses that tend to colic or have coliced. He also has been on the Dynamite vitamins and they have really helped, he is just blooming, but I am going to get him the 2 to 1 free choice also.

[quote="accphotography"]Is there a single product I could give or does it need to be the separate stuff? It just seems expensive to me (I don't mind, I want her healthy, but I don't want to pay for more than I need).[/quote]

You want to find a product that is specifically formulated for your region. Where are you located? Your best bet is to find a low-salt loose mineral formulation. Most mineral supplements are around 98% salt, which is intake limiting. The one I have found for the PNW is only 25% salt and recommends, if I recall correctly, ~2 ounces per day if used as a top dressing. It is more expensive, but it costs $25 for a bag with only 2% mineral content versus the quality mineral that is $40 for 75% mineral content.

Lexington, KY. This is a local feed maker that's very good IMO. I wonder if they have anything. http://mccauleybros.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://mccauleybros.com/supplements/pro…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This would be the closest thing, though they don't say which version of the NRC requirements they follow nor does it mention if it is regionally specific. The product is a concentrate feed that is high in vit/min and you would need to feed 1-3 lbs a day. You can always call the company up and ask if they do a loose mineral.

[quote="Monsterpony"][quote="accphotography"]Is there a single product I could give or does it need to be the separate stuff? It just seems expensive to me (I don't mind, I want her healthy, but I don't want to pay for more than I need).[/quote]

You want to find a product that is specifically formulated for your region. Where are you located? Your best bet is to find a low-salt loose mineral formulation. Most mineral supplements are around 98% salt, which is intake limiting. The one I have found for the PNW is only 25% salt and recommends, if I recall correctly, ~2 ounces per day if used as a top dressing. It is more expensive, but it costs $25 for a bag with only 2% mineral content versus the quality mineral that is $40 for 75% mineral content.[/quote]

The Dynamite 1 to 1 and 2 to 1 are only %20 salt and although Dynamite is located in Idaho we sell it all over even Hawaii. There is so many variables when it comes to what a horse needs besides geographic location. History, where the horse is kept inside or out, seasons, physicals demands, just the horses chemistry. Dynamite actually sells a free choice starter pack that comes with a 5 lb container each of the 1 to 1 free choice the 2 to 1 free choice the Izmine and the NTM natural salt and it also comes with the 4 department mineral feeder for 139.95. They sell it that way so that you can see what it is your horse is needing and useing and then you can buy bigger refills later of the ones your horse seems to use the most of.

[quote="Monsterpony"]http://mccauleybros.com/supplements/pro…

This would be the closest thing, though they don't say which version of the NRC requirements they follow nor does it mention if it is regionally specific. The product is a concentrate feed that is high in vit/min and you would need to feed 1-3 lbs a day. You can always call the company up and ask if they do a loose mineral.[/quote]

She's been on that for about a year and a half. :mrgreen: She gets 1lb daily. I've never seen her coat or hooves look so good as when she's on this (and even missing two weeks of it when I travel shows a difference). But she still chews wood and licks the ground.

It is region specific btw. I've asked before. Here is the full list:

[quote]GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Crude Protein, Min. 30.0%
Crude Fat, Min. 5.0%
Crude Fiber, Max. 6.0%
Calcium, Min. 3.5%
Calcium, Max. 4.0%
Phosphorus, Min. 2.0%
Salt, Min. 1.0%
Salt, Max. 1.5%
Copper, Min. 180 ppm
Selenium, Min. 2.0 ppm
Zinc, Min. 500 ppm
Vitamin A, Min. 20,000 IU/lb
Vitamin D, Min. 4,000 IU/lb
Vitamin E, Min. 500 IU/lb

ADDITIONAL VITAMINS/MINERALS

Vitamin K
Vitamin B1 (Thiamin)
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)
Vitamin B3 (Niacin)
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine)
Choline
Folic Acid
d-Pantothenic Acid
Vitamin B12
Magnesium
Cobalt
Iodine
Iron
Manganese

INGREDIENTS

Soybean meal, wheat bran, dehydrated alfalfa meal, flaxseed, dried whey, yeast culture, L-lysine, cane molasses, vegetable oil, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, salt, magnesium oxide, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, cobalt carbonate, sodium selenite, zinc polysaccharide complex, iron polysaccharide complex, manganese polysaccharide complex, copper polysaccharide complex, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, niacin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, choline chloride, folic acid, d-calcium pantothenate, and vitamin B12 supplement.

FEEDING INSTRUCTIONS
M30® is a comprehensive supplement for all horses. It is designed to be fed alone or in varying ratios with oats to provide the desired levels of protein, vitamins, minerals, and energy in the diet. In general, 1 to 3 lb of M30® per day per 1200 lb mature weight is all the supplementation necessary. A detailed feeding guide is on the back of the bag.
Always provide good quality hay and/or pasture; clean, fresh water and salt. Do not feed additional proteins, vitamins or minerals except on the advice of a nutritionist.
Consult your veterinarian concerning proper health programs and always maintain a good worm control program. [/quote]

Some comments from their nutritionist:

[quote]Getting back to the question at hand in regards to the diet, if the horse can maintain a healthy body condition on forage alone, then McCauley's M30 is the product of choice. M30 is soybean meal based. Soybean meal has low concentrations of sugars and starches. M30 will provide all the necessary vitamins and minerals, but very little calories so the horse will not continue to gain weight. While M30 does contain alfalfa meal, it is used for flavoring purposes only and has a low inclusion rate. In fact, horses that have tested positive for allergies to alfalfa have eaten M30 without reaction. I, myself, have a previously foundered, suspected IR horse. He has consumed M30 (and grass hay) for many years without a problem. On average, we test our ingredients on a monthly basis. From these results, we calculate the sugar and starch concentrations in our products. M30 is below 15% combined sugars and starches and is safe for IR / founder-prone horses. It would be impossible to obtain an exact level of any nutrient whether it be batch to batch or within a single batch. The reasons are due to individual ingredient variation and, therefore, variation within the batch. While the variation is small, it does exist, so an "exact" number is impossible. To answer your questions regarding the mineral concentrations, the amounts shown below are typical

Calcium: 3.5%
Phosphorus: 2.0%
Magnesium: 0.4%
Sodium: 1.0%
Potassium: 1.5%
Iron: 800 ppm
Copper: 180 ppm
Zinc: 500 ppm
Manganese: 400 ppm
Selenium: 2 ppm
Sulfur: 0.3 %
Cobalt: 1.3 ppm
Molybdenum: 6 ppm
Omega 6 to 3 ratio: 1.2:1
[/quote]

So technically she should be getting everything she needs... but clearly she isn't.

This company does make a mineral block and a salt block. I keep the mineral block in her stall (it's one of the little ones) and when she remembers it's there she will lick on it some. There is a mineral block (I assume, it's red) in her field but I don't know if she even bothers with the muzzle on. I have no idea if they make a loose mineral or not but I can find out.

Here's a recent photo so you can see her condition (fat):
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She's ridiculously shiny (that photo doesn't show it) and dappled, but I know that doesn't prove anything.

Oh wow,did you rescue her? I thought I saw pics of her where she was terribly skinny on your website. She looks a little chubby now but much much better than skin a bones. Since Doc does the same thing she does (the licking the dirt/wood chewing) it makes you wonder if they were so depleated that thats why they are still trying to get everything they need and it must take time even after they have put weight for them to get it after being so out of whack, poor things.

Yes, she was a rescue.

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That was a bit over 3 years ago now.

Awww, I'm so glad you got her. Doc wasn't supposed to be a rescue, we got him off of dream horse. My husband picked him out, he looked fat and shiney in the photo and we didn't go look at him first since he was coming from a breeder and he had immpecable bloodlines. It was pretty far away where he was we live in western Wa and he was in eastern Wa so we had to drive 3 hours just to meet the woman we bought him from. So he didn't look as good as in the pics needless to say. So we took him home and he wasn't skin a bones but just untrhifty pot bellied and no muscle tone, dull coat. After We wormed him like I said before he pooped round worms for 2 whole days then he coliced....OMG and they were big worms too, so I'm sure the worms were leaching every bit of nutrition he ate. Even though it wasn't what we expected and it wasn't quite a pleasant experience for my husband getting his first horse, we know we saved his life, and he is such a funny horse, so smart, loves people he is a good one :love

Here is a video clip of his Zipper trick ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LhvoPs…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He certainly looks awesome now. It's amazing what basic lack of care can do... and then what a little bit of care can do. Mine is a good one too. :mrgreen:

Thanks :mrgreen: so does Lacey, she's a Paint to right? She's kind of marked like Annie.

Supposedly Quarter. *shrugs*

Same thing in my book actually, did you know that AQHA has completely got rid of their excess white rule, so now it doesn't matter if 2 QH's have a paint it can still now be registered QH, same with perlino and cremello. Used to be a Paint with 2 QH parents had to be registered through APHA and I'm not sure what they did with the Perlino's and Cremellos. Now finally they are still QH on the outside when they are QH on the inside no matter what color they are. I think thats a good thing.