Why does Cash have funky spots?

That's strange. I was thinking Bend Or, and then I thought ringworm because of the 'bald' description, but if the vet says they aren't fungal ... I'm clueless! [i]Not an entirely unfamiliar situation for me.[/i] ;)

I would have thought Bend Or... but that just doesn't feel right. I think it's an odd form of scarring from something.

What is Bend Or?

How long has he had them? Have any more shown up since she got him? Maybe he got some weird rain rot or something before she got him.
As long as he doesn't start looking like this:
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She has had him for 5 years and he has got more spots in that time, but her vet says its more than likely somthing genetic and that she (the Vet) has seen somthing like it before. That being said, they have not ruled out that it may be scarring from somthing in the past but if that were true why would he get more spots from year to year?

Look at this horse I found in the color info photo albums, his spots look very similiar to Cash's.

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Here is a winter pic of him she just sent me.

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Those are Bend Ors... but they look different from his to me.

Definitely not Bend Ors.

I've never seen Bend Ors textured and I've never seen them that grayish tone... it's odd.

Yeah me either and I've seen a lot of them. I admit they looked like Bend Ors while the first photo was loading (I have a very slow connection at home) but as soon as I saw the whole thing and especially the close up photos I was stumped. No clue.

Well his sire is grey, I told her I didn't think that had anything to do with it, but could it?

No not bendors but your vet is most probably right it's a genetic thing that may limit the growth of hair to certain patches, Bendor spots are different coloured hairs not bald patches.

It's scarring from ringworm. The hair will never grow back the same so you see their skin through easier. Serenity is becoming the poster child for it:
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DEFINITELY RINGWORM or a fungus of some sort.

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Here is a winter pic of him she just sent me.

[img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy13…]

Oh Wow ok, is that you mare? The only thing is that would make me doubt that is that Cash continues to get more as he gets older, if it was scarring wouldn't it just stay the same?

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Oh Wow ok, is that you mare? The only thing is that would make me doubt that is that Cash continues to get more as he gets older, if it was scarring wouldn't it just stay the same?[/quote]

Until she treats it, it will continue to spread. I use Tea-cleanz. Yep, that is my mare.

[quote="Jenks"]DEFINITELY RINGWORM or a fungus of some sort.

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Here is a winter pic of him she just sent me.

[img]http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy13…]

Vet said it is not a fungus, but didn't rule out scarring.

I think some horses are just more prone to it. I don't know, but she gets more sometimes so I just go ahead and rinse her with Tea-cleanz all summer. Sweat, ideal conditions? I don't know.

NONE of my other horses get it. She had them when I got her, and I tried everything to try and get the hair back to right on those spots.....nothing worked. They fill in lighter than the rest of her hair during the winter like that one pic of Cash in his woolies. So there are indentions in her coat just like that. Damage to the hair follicle just is not repairable.

[quote="Jenks"]I think some horses are just more prone to it. I don't know, but she gets more sometimes so I just go ahead and rinse her with Tea-cleanz all summer. Sweat, ideal conditions? I don't know.

NONE of my other horses get it. She had them when I got her, and I tried everything to try and get the hair back to right on those spots.....nothing worked. They fill in lighter than the rest of her hair during the winter like that one pic of Cash in his woolies. So there are indentions in her coat just like that. Damage to the hair follicle just is not repairable.[/quote]

So are you saying her vet is wrong?

Funny though, she never gets the scabs or blisters or any of the symptoms listed from the various forms listed for it, but the spot arrives..... Anti fungal and anti bacterial stuff will stop it right away though.

[quote="rodeoratdogs"][quote="Jenks"]I think some horses are just more prone to it. I don't know, but she gets more sometimes so I just go ahead and rinse her with Tea-cleanz all summer. Sweat, ideal conditions? I don't know.

NONE of my other horses get it. She had them when I got her, and I tried everything to try and get the hair back to right on those spots.....nothing worked. They fill in lighter than the rest of her hair during the winter like that one pic of Cash in his woolies. So there are indentions in her coat just like that. Damage to the hair follicle just is not repairable.[/quote]

So are you saying her vet is wrong?[/quote]

Nope, maybe mine was. What ever it is, Serenity has the exact same thing. And it can't be contagious or the rest of my horses would have it. My vet just says it's scars. But I never see anything until there's just a spot. It's definitely some damage occurring to the hair follicle, what caused/causes it? I guess the easy answer was fungus or bacteria.

Wow just weird, her vet said not fungal probably genetic and that she had seen it before. She has had him for 5 years and it has never spread to her other horses either. I just wonder if it is not damage but some sort of a genetic mutation of some sort?

[quote="rodeoratdogs"]Wow just weird, her vet said not fungal probably genetic and that she had seen it before. She has had him for 5 years and it has never spread to her other horses either. I just wonder if it is not damage but some sort of a genetic mutation of some sort?[/quote]

Early male pattern baldness? :rofl

I knew a mare who actualy had a cert from the vet saying 'it's not ringworm' because she had baldy spots just like that. They did loads of skin scrapings, blood tests and alsorts to work out the cause and couldn't find one at all. The owner though it was related to her being 1/8 appaloosa but she had no characteristics at all. Could it be evidence of homozygous Patn without the LP influence or does that give characteristics? I cant remember. I guess it would be common in non-spotted apps if it was.

How about if both vets are right and both vets are wrong?

IF this 'ringworm' is due to the individual horse having their immune system compromised in some way, a way that manifests in ringworm or ringworm-like appearance ... that could easily explain what is happening.

There is a type of mange in dogs that is very difficult to treat ([i]demodex or demodectic[/i]) and it is also a parasite that *all* dogs carry on them. In healthy dogs, it never presents as an issue. In an immuno-compromised dog, their bodies cannot keep the demodex suppressed and they get a full-blown case of mange.

Perhaps this horse, and Serenity, are having a similar response?

[quote="lillith"]I knew a mare who actualy had a cert from the vet saying 'it's not ringworm' because she had baldy spots just like that. They did loads of skin scrapings, blood tests and alsorts to work out the cause and couldn't find one at all. The owner though it was related to her being 1/8 appaloosa but she had no characteristics at all. Could it be evidence of homozygous Patn without the LP influence or does that give characteristics? I cant remember. I guess it would be common in non-spotted apps if it was.[/quote]

Interesting, thankyou for sharing........ I was wondering if it could possibly be somthing like that.

[quote="Heidi"]How about if both vets are right and both vets are wrong?

IF this 'ringworm' is due to the individual horse having their immune system compromised in some way, a way that manifests in ringworm or ringworm-like appearance ... that could easily explain what is happening.

There is a type of mange in dogs that is very difficult to treat ([i]demodex or demodectic[/i]) and it is also a parasite that *all* dogs carry on them. In healthy dogs, it never presents as an issue. In an immuno-compromised dog, their bodies cannot keep the demodex suppressed and they get a full-blown case of mange.

Perhaps this horse, and Serenity, are having a similar response?[/quote]

Also a very interesting point, I am familiar with demodectric mange because I breed Rat Terriers and RT's are know to get this kind of mange. My Rat Terriers have never been affected but I have a pit bull that had a staff infection, little bumps all over and we succesfully treated it by giving her Grizzly Salmon oil, the salmon oil boosted her immune system and her staff infection cleared right up and never came back. It is very true that some animals and humans, for that matter are affected by a certain fungus because of their immune system while others are never affected. Even dandruff is a fungus, some humans get it while others don't all based on immune systems. I wonder if what would be a good immune system builder for horses........hmmm I will have to look at my Dynamite products and see if I have anything that would work spacifically for building immune systems in horses.

This might be worth a try, I have never use the Hiscorbadyne but have used the vitamins for years, It would be interesting to see if it had any affect, if it was genetic it wouldn't of course.

https://www.dynamitemarketing.com/Custo…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AWWW shoot! the link wont take you right to the Hiscorbadyne but just look under horse products and its there.

[quote="Jenks"][quote="rodeoratdogs"]Wow just weird, her vet said not fungal probably genetic and that she had seen it before. She has had him for 5 years and it has never spread to her other horses either. I just wonder if it is not damage but some sort of a genetic mutation of some sort?[/quote]

Early male pattern baldness? :rofl[/quote]

:rofl I know right! did you look at Kricketts link? there is a bald horse on there!