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White Oldenburg

accphotography July 30, 2009 February 22, 2011

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Looking at his dam, I wonder if Puchilingui is responsible for this. Are TBs allowed in the Oldenburg registry? http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/3vua-5k-jpg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

accphotography Thu, 07/30/2009 - 23:51

Tiffany is Arab if I remember right. Isabelle is Oldenburg though I know, but I don't know if she's got TB or not.

No matter. We just figured out the pedigree of this kid:

By Florencio:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/florenc…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Out of a Relevant mare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/relevan…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Out of a Cordeur mare, but I can't find a photo of him. I found his sire and dam sire though:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/horse/11…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/horse/55…" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Monsterpony Thu, 07/30/2009 - 23:59

Tiffany is a TB and is the dam of Isabelle. Isabelle is a registered Oldenburg and Tiffany is the dam of three registered Oldenburgs. I double checked on Sara's website.

accphotography Fri, 07/31/2009 - 00:04

Oh wow... wonder which one is the Arab then. I got lost. :laugh1

So yup, that could have been a Puchi mare... alas.

Monsterpony Fri, 07/31/2009 - 00:33

Ginny and Jasi are Arabians....not that I have all of her horses memorized...nope.

Edit: Are they willing to allow that much color in the registry so that Puchi would be allowed as a stud?

lipigirl Fri, 07/31/2009 - 12:25

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]Looks like a max Sabino......[/quote]

My thoughts exactly !!

accphotography Fri, 07/31/2009 - 14:23

I was actually thinking dominant white.

Oh... note that spot on Relevant's hip... it's really there.

accphotography Sat, 08/01/2009 - 13:58

I personally think it's dominant white based on the phenotype of the foal's dam... but the lines between dominant white and sabino are truly a bit blurry these days.

I did finally see Cordeur... dark brown (nearly black) with 4 even socks and zero face white. He has more white than I typically see on such a dark horse (especially in WBs), and especially odd given no face white.

rabbitsfizz Sun, 08/02/2009 - 04:42

I honestly think "dominant white" is Sabino, I just think they got a little carried away with the title!

dakotakdq Sun, 08/02/2009 - 05:17

a lot of dark bay QH have those sots. my bucky mares sire was really dark bay with a white spot the size of a fist on his belly (on side near ribs) he had very minimal white, just a small star

peruvianpasogal Sun, 08/02/2009 - 09:23

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I honestly think "dominant white" is Sabino, I just think they got a little carried away with the title![/quote]
Im going to agree with you there, I think DW is sabino also

rabbitsfizz Sun, 08/02/2009 - 11:41

And I think those white spots that are too big to be Birdcatcher spots are confined, minimal Sabino. We REALLY need a proper test for Sabino, we really do. :hammer

accphotography Sun, 08/02/2009 - 14:10

Sabino is not a homozygous lethal, dominant white is... it's not the genotype name that needs to be changed, it's the view of the phenotypes. (FWIW, the more I look at them, the more i can see the difference between DW and sabino.)

tjuri Sun, 08/02/2009 - 14:15

I was under the impression that DW ands Sabino1 have already been identified as different allels on KIT ? :?: :?

RiddleMeThis Sun, 08/02/2009 - 16:02

This
[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I honestly think "dominant white" is Sabino, I just think they got a little carried away with the title![/quote]
reminds me of this
[quote]The patterns are merely phenotypically similar and calling them overo is a total nonsense.[/quote]

They are genetically different for MANY reasons, and just happen to OCCASIONALLY be phenotypically similar and now everyone just wants to call them the same thing when they are NOT.

NZ Appaloosas Sun, 08/02/2009 - 20:08

Well, since they can only identify one gene as "sabino", whose to say that dominant white is not a sabino gene?

Diane

accphotography Sun, 08/02/2009 - 20:29

Because they set the rules for what is and is not sabino. Sabino is an incomplete dominant, dominant white is a simple dominant. That is how the researchers distinguish between the two.

Monsterpony Sun, 08/02/2009 - 21:49

I am definitely with ACC on this one. They are two completely separate genes that act differently genetically. Sabino and frame can both cause belly spots, but that does not make them the same. Dominant white and sabino ARE different.

rabbitsfizz Mon, 08/03/2009 - 15:25

I was not aware that DW caused dead foals in H/Z...sorry, I'm more than a bit behind on this but how can it be absolutely certain that it is not Sabino when Sabino is not identified???

RiddleMeThis Mon, 08/03/2009 - 15:41

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]I was not aware that DW caused dead foals in H/Z...sorry, I'm more than a bit behind on this but how can it be absolutely certain that it is not Sabino when Sabino is not identified???[/quote]Because they have made up definitions for Sabino.

Sabino
Incomplete dominant
No homozygous lethal

Dominant White
Simple Dominant
Homozygous embryonic lethal

accphotography Mon, 08/03/2009 - 17:16

The only way to identify sabino is to find a mutation responsible for a phenotype. Since they found the dominant white mutations, they would know if they were sabino.

To their knowledge it doesn't cause dead foals like LWO does, it is an embryonic lethal.

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 08/04/2009 - 01:40

[quote="accphotography"]Because they set the rules for what is and is not sabino. Sabino is an incomplete dominant, dominant white is a simple dominant. That is how the researchers distinguish between the two.[/quote]

Okay, now that is something I have not heard to date. Thanks for that.

Diane

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 08/04/2009 - 01:45

[quote="Monsterpony"]I am definitely with ACC on this one. They are two completely separate genes that act differently genetically. Sabino and frame can both cause belly spots, but that does not make them the same. Dominant white and sabino ARE different.[/quote]

Oooh, MP, when I read this post by you, you had showing on the ticker: 2 months, 2 weeks and 2 days before you arrive here. Sppppooooookkkky! :laugh1

Diane

rabbitsfizz Tue, 08/04/2009 - 13:58

[quote="RiddleMeThis"][quote="rabbitsfizz"]I was not aware that DW caused dead foals in H/Z...sorry, I'm more than a bit behind on this but how can it be absolutely certain that it is not Sabino when Sabino is not identified???[/quote]Because they have made up definitions for Sabino.

Sabino
Incomplete dominant
No homozygous lethal

Dominant White
Simple Dominant
Homozygous embryonic lethal[/quote]

No I had not heard this either, although I am the first to admit I seem to miss a lot these days...
When did this happen??