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Il take a guess and say he has champagne??

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Amber champagne or pearl?

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could be a few colors judging from that picture alone. Why not get some of the other pictures of him up that are out there that show close-ups of him. for what it's worth, I agree with you on that other horse forum.

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That isn't Perlino?

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I can see why you would think that it is, and I have seen a Perlino with a mane and tail nearly as dark as that, but his eyes do not look blue, although it is hard to see clearly....
I am going to guess Cream + one of the Champagnes or Pearl derivatives??

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I didn't post the other photos yet because I thought that single photo was very telling and I wanted to see what the response was to just it.

His eyes ARE blue.

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He LOOKS like an Amber Champers with Cream but with blue eyes and no obvious freckling......probably bay based DD with possibly silver is my guess which is stopping the full expression of the cream. OR he is Champers and the blue eyes are from Frame or splash. :D

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Oh he's freckled alright:

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and he is ??????

I'm off line soon don't keep me guessing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hammer

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PLEASE !!!!! :flower

......want to know before i have to go off line !! pm me if you don't want to post it.

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dorsal?

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Im guessing silver buckskin with splash

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No dorsal.

How would silver buckskin explain his mottled skin?

I'm not sure anyone knows. His owner and everyone that's seen him has been calling him perlino for years... but I am 100% certain he is not a DD.

IMO, he is, without any doubt, amber cream + splash. I may see about having him tested if I can talk his owner into doing it, but I'm confident.

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I have a cremello partbred arabian mare who has very freckled skin, on her face!!! No chance at all of champagne either.

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As I said I have seen a Mini Perlino nearly as dark as that...I could not see his eyes clearly.
He could be Perlino, but I would actually guess that there is something else going on. I did not add pattern, as it is irrelevant, but yes, he could well have Splash, but those are not typical Splash Blue eyes.

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in your opinion, what separates DD blue eyes from splash or frame overo blue eyes? I thought they all looked pretty much the same and thought this guy had eyes similar to my SSH pony. But I've never really seen enough in person or really paid much attention. Now that's one more thing for me to look at when I'm looking at pretty horses!

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Well, blue eyes should just be blue eyes, I know, but in my experience with blue eyes, the ones caused by CrCr have been paler, more like this guys, and they had that translucent effect to them, as well.
Having said that, I have known CrCr horses with eyes almost as dark as a Fewspot, I had a Cremello colt (untested, he could possibly have been h/Z Perlino as his dam was Buckskin gone Grey, sire Palomino) who had navy blue eyes, but still had that translucent background.

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IMO they are all VERY similar. I have seen frame only, splash only and DD only up close and they are very similar. That being said I will agree that DD eyes tend to be much paler and usually have some color in them. But, NOT always.

Cremello with no other dilutes:
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Cremello:
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Cremello:
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Splash without frame (and quite pale blue):
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Also splash without frame and quite pale:
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Frame blues (somewhat darker):
http://www.echohillsporthorses.com/Image..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Frame and splash:
http://www.accphotography.com/gallery/do..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So while the first cremello's eye really stands out as unique, the others fit right in with normal. I think you can find pale and dark shades of every source. I've seen some DDs with VERY dark eyes and some frames with very pale eyes.

I see nothing about these eyes that imply one gene over another. Also, I see way to much pigment along the face there to even consider DD.

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My vote is classic cream or amber cream, with some frame or splash tossed in

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The only set of (pattern based) eyes that do not have solid dark irises are the Frame ones, the other Pattern induced blues all have much darker, more defined irises.
But we are really arguing at cross purposes, I think a lot of these things can be deduced by experience, and gut feeling, but none of these can beat testing, when it is available.
I still feel there is a dilute at play in the original horse, either Cream + ? or CrCr.

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The only set of (pattern based) eyes that do not have solid dark irises are the Frame ones, the other Pattern induced blues all have much darker, more defined irises.
But we are really arguing at cross purposes, I think a lot of these things can be deduced by experience, and gut feeling, but none of these can beat testing, when it is available.
I still feel there is a dilute at play in the original horse, either Cream + ? or CrCr.

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The only set of (pattern based) eyes that do not have solid dark irises are the Frame ones, the other Pattern induced blues all have much darker, more defined irises.
But we are really arguing at cross purposes, I think a lot of these things can be deduced by experience, and gut feeling, but none of these can beat testing, when it is available.
I still feel there is a dilute at play in the original horse, either Cream + ? or CrCr.

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I agree with ACC. Theres no way that horse is CRCR. Its either Champagne + Cream or Pearl Cream (with my preference being the former)

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The only set of (pattern based) eyes that do not have solid dark irises are the Frame ones, the other Pattern induced blues all have much darker, more defined irises.
But we are really arguing at cross purposes, I think a lot of these things can be deduced by experience, and gut feeling, but none of these can beat testing, when it is available.
I still feel there is a dilute at play in the original horse, either Cream + ? or CrCr.

So is Jazz's blue from her frame or from her splash?
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No one knows Krickette. Well that is unless she's negative for frame, which I doubt. I used to think splash blues were darker, but now I've seen it seems to be frames that are darker, but now I've also seen that each cause comes in a variety of sheds. *shrug*

As for him being a DD, I say that's virtually impossible. Have you ever seen a DD with GRAY skin???

(look just behind the pink skin, it's definitely gray)
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I'll vote pear/champ and one cream too. And splash. The pigment of the skin on the face looks like a splash blaze to me.

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I would agree with that, but, yes, a CrCr can have darker skin, they do not have to be bright pink, especially if there is something else going on.
You know this horse, right?
So you know the skin is grey, cos it looks mushroom to me :booty
And I don't think I was ever convinced he is CrCr, anyway, I just mentioned that I had seen a Perlino with a mane and tail nearly as dark as his, and a body a bit lighter. That horse had pumpkin coloured skin and did not AFAIK, have Silver.
I do not know enough about the various Champagne and Pearl dilutes as they do not interest me at all, and I have been lazy (!) but I am leaning towards Champagne + single Cream, or possibly not any Cream at all :rofl just Pearl or Champagne.
Begs the question "Why are his eyes blue?" though.....

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Not at all... he has a big, fat splash blaze.

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For what it is worth - I think he is Amber Cream plus splash.

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I cast my vote as some sort of champagne, but I do not know champagne well enough to guess what kind and other genes could be involved ;)

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