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The vast majority still feel that way about pintos. There are small numbers of people in the hunt/jump/dressage world who will go for pintos or cream dilutes but most will not (except, to some degree, in ponies). If I were breeding colored warmbloods I would either do cream dilutes and mare sure to have homozygous black breeding stock so you would only ever get buckskins, or I would do tobianos and choose mares who appear to have a white suppressor so you would get mostly minimally marked animals. I would definitely steer clear of anything that would cause bald faces or freckled skin.

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NZ, I don't know that she has tested the mare but I agree with ACC. Although one thing I have learned on here color is not always as it seems. :laugh1

That is the sire and I am pretty sure this is his other side. Same photoprapher. He is a pinto warmblood.

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I'm in :love I so want a filly JUST like that colt!!! :mrgreen: :love :love :love :love

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Ditto that.

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FWIW, you post a picture of a pinto warmblood on the FiSH forum and you get a lot of "EWWWW" from the hunter/jumper and dressage people. Some of the eventers think it's awesome, but even the majority of them still like solid colors or 4 high whites max.

Actually a IMO nice stallion kept getting referred to as "that spotted thing" on several threads.

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That's very sad. I suppose it goes back to that purity or bad breed type thing?

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I think it's just the nature of the disciplines. It's so very formal and traditional, they don't like ANYTHING new and people have been trying to get color in that arena for years with little success.

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That is interesting for sure!!! But as I am not looking at producing large amounts of foals I actually would like a small market base. So long as I could sell them!!! ACC, my all time goal would be pinto patterns and dilute genes!!! :bounce

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I just have to point out, before you get involved in a breeding project, that you should be intimately familiar with the discipline in question.

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That's very sad. I suppose it goes back to that purity or bad breed type thing?

It has more to do with not standing out.

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Don't worry, Sara, I know that and that is one of reasons I have no intention of starting this anytime soon. It is more of a goal for someday. 8-) Ideally what I would like to do is work with someone that has an all ready established breeding business but wants to branch out into color as well. Of course all of these ideas are just that. Simply ideas, nothing set in stone. :)

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We are actually getting some really nice Warmblood Pinto horses, now.....and there are a few classes specifically for pinto kids ponies too, as they were discriminated against ruthlessly at first (Show Pony = any colour you like so long as it is Bay, and Black will be classed as Bay!!! :laugh1 and has little or no white).

I still think Sabino is responsible for the legs, and there is no reason why it can't be, of course, as the minimal Tobi could be hiding underneath it...and of course he has face white.....

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Don't worry, Sara, I know that and that is one of reasons I have no intention of starting this anytime soon. It is more of a goal for someday. 8-) Ideally what I would like to do is work with someone that has an all ready established breeding business but wants to branch out into color as well. Of course all of these ideas are just that. Simply ideas, nothing set in stone. :)

Okay, just making sure! When we're talking about creating living, feeling things that will live 20-30 years I just like to make sure things are well thought out. :) I don't mean to single you out -- we often ask these sorts of questions here.

I like tobianos and had thought about using an outside stallion who is homozygous tobiano, but I just don't see it catching on (I would see a few for a while but now the ring is back to a sea of solid colors) so I am back to breeding for what I can sell. I would still use a tobiano PONY stallion though, if I found one I liked.

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Don't worry, Sara, I know that and that is one of reasons I have no intention of starting this anytime soon. It is more of a goal for someday. 8-) Ideally what I would like to do is work with someone that has an all ready established breeding business but wants to branch out into color as well. Of course all of these ideas are just that. Simply ideas, nothing set in stone. :)

Okay, just making sure! When we're talking about creating living, feeling things that will live 20-30 years I just like to make sure things are well thought out. :) I don't mean to single you out -- we often ask these sorts of questions here.

I like tobianos and had thought about using an outside stallion who is homozygous tobiano, but I just don't see it catching on (I would see a few for a while but now the ring is back to a sea of solid colors) so I am back to breeding for what I can sell. I would still use a tobiano PONY stallion though, if I found one I liked.

I have a Tobiano Paint stallion the size of pony. :laugh1 :rofl Well not really. 14.2 14.3 But he came from big lines and I am still not sure he won't pass those on. My filly out of him and my Paint mare, who is the same size as the stud is, is only an inch or so shorter and she is 14 months.

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Here's what I've learned about breeding ponies. Your foals might end up somewhere between the sire and dam in height. Or, they can be either as tall or as short as the sire or dam. Or, they can be either as tall or as short as any of the grandparents. Or, they can be even taller or even shorter than that. :lol:

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In other words, breeding ponies is unpredictable.

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:laugh1 :rofl Same thing happens with horses!!! :laugh1 :bounce Basically the norm for horses is being closer to the dams height. Example: Breeding a 14.2 mare to a 16.2 hand stud will get a foal somewhere around 15.hh where the opposite will get you 16.hh . But horse are so unpredictable. :roll: I am sure you all ready knew that anyway. :lol:

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I trained a couple of full brothers (ISR) one year. The three year old was over 17 hands and growing. The four year old was maaaaybe 16 hands and STOCKY. The sire of those geldings was 16.2, I think, and the dam somewhere in that range as well. Yeah, it's really hard to predict.

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I'd offer to grow you a tobiano pony Sara (you know I can grow them small :P) but neither of my little mares can jump. :laugh1

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Oh, did I mention that when I bought my stud at 16 months of age and about 13.3hh he was jumping 3 1/2- 4 foot fences. :laugh1 :laugh1 I couldn't keep him in because he was lonely. Finally ended up putting him near the other horses and the jumping stopped. :D

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Fancy colors like what? Real warmblood people don't really like fancy colors. I've already had prejudice against Diana and we haven't hit the ring yet. People have asked whether I really want to try to show her since everyone will assume I am riding a Quarter Horse, given her color. :(

Just you remind those snotty little WB people about 3s&7s...greatest little QH mare, IMO. And probably responsible for me thinking outside the h/j box to think "western" breeds can do it all.

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That's very sad. I suppose it goes back to that purity or bad breed type thing?

It has more to do with not standing out.

Yep, when you mess up while riding a bay, chestnut, black or grey, you're just one of the crowd. But if you're on a broken coloured horse, well, everyone remembers THAT incident... :BH :BH

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FWIW, you post a picture of a pinto warmblood on the FiSH forum and you get a lot of "EWWWW" from the hunter/jumper and dressage people.

And a lot of that is because the majority of the colored (whether its pinto or dilution) are just not as high of quality as their normal counterparts, and a lot of times it shows.

But when they ARE as good as their counter parts they ARE winning.

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Just... wow. Wow. Okay.

Actually, I guess this is the first time here that I've been rendered absolutely speechless.

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Quick......... :laugh1 :rofl :laugh1 Sara's speechless =)) 8-} @-) @-) 8-} =))

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