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What colour would you call this ?!

Here is a photo of my 2 year old as a foal .. I have no recent photos but will be clipping her out in another month or so and can't wait to show her .. Her mother is a silver dapple minimal pinto but unfortunately we do not know who her father is as it could be a number of stallions as the irresponsible breeder that we bought her from let my silver dapple filly run with colts and stallions as a yearling :roll: How silly .. We were very worried for our filly when we discovered she was in foal as a yearling .. We had bought her to show and then she started to get bigger and bigger and finally we got her scanned as a two year old and she was in foal .. Luckily she gave birth to a beautiful chestnut pinto with pawprints pictured below and all went well .. We have sent her dna off to the AMHA and they are going to check to see who her dad is against a few stallions that the breeder has .. So no info on the sire side I am afraid .. Anyway enough of the history .. Here are a few photos of her .. do you think she is homozygous for pawprints ? [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb193/casilda_2007/honeymoon243.jpg[…] [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb193/casilda_2007/101_0415-1.jpg[/i…] [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb193/casilda_2007/dream456123.jpg[/…]

accphotography Fri, 02/19/2010 - 18:55

She looks flaxen chestnut to me, however I've known bay silvers to look like that as foals. Tough call without seeing more photos, but I lean to chestnut. I do suspect she's probably homozygous tobiano.

slaneyrose Fri, 02/19/2010 - 20:23

[i]Her mother is a silver dapple minimal pinto but unfortunately we do not know who her father is as it could be a number of stallions as the irresponsible breeder that we bought her from let my silver dapple filly run with colts and stallions as a yearling How silly .. .[/i]

Deary me, I cant believe you are still going on about this and are now using THIS forum to to have a pop at me publically YET AGAIN when you already know what colour she is [i] Luckily she gave birth to a beautiful chestnut pinto with pawprints pictured below[/i] :roll: :roll: :roll: ??

Yes she did get pregnant as a yearling as I had electic fencing up at time since I had not had my permanant fencing erected. Your public accusation is actually libel Casilda since, apart from the colt you bought, there is only one stallion that could have fathered your filly and you know this.
I have apologised privately AND publically on more than one occasion so this is just nasty of you to use this forum for your own ends....and some of your claims are down right lies. [i]and all went well .. We have sent her dna off to the AMHA and they are going to check to see who her dad is against a few stallions that the breeder has .. [/i] :rofl :rofl
I did hold my hands up, when pregnancy was suspected and offered to buy the mare back, take the foal back OR have the mare back to foal her out since I am an experienced breeder and you are not... but you declined all offers. If you were that worried about her you would have availed of my last offer at least. ;) :) Members of this forum dont take kindly to public slagging of its members and I dont take kindly to libel so best to keep your posts to COLOUR related comments. ;)

Heidi Sat, 02/20/2010 - 01:42

[quote="slaneyrose"]Members of this forum dont take kindly to public slagging of its members... [/quote]
Irresponsible breeders don't *ever* care. Ever.
Responsible breeders *do* care. All the time. ...and still accidents happen. [i]That is why they are called accidents.[/i]

It appears SR absolutely *did* attempt to do the responsible thing upon learning of the pregnancy issue and you refused all offers.
I'll repeat: You. Refused. All. Offers. Seems to me like someone needs to accept their decision about refusing recourse, shut up and move on. Bad-mouthing someone in public, [i]someone who tried to make things right and you refused their offers[/i], is bad form.

Casilda Sat, 02/20/2010 - 07:08

[quote="slaneyrose"][i]Yes she did get pregnant as a yearling as I had electic fencing up at time since I had not had my permanant fencing erected. -- [color=#0000FF]Kim you admitted to me that she thought she was not in season and you put her back in with your stallion ..I did not name you nor the mare's name . I was merely making a comment that I didn't know who her father was .
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I did hold my hands up, when pregnancy was suspected and offered to buy the mare back, .. [color=#0000FF]This is totally [/color][color=#0000FF]untrue [/color].. take the foal back OR have the mare back to foal her out since I am an experienced breeder and you are not... but you declined all offers....[color=#0000FF]This did not happen and you know it didn't ...
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Casilda Sat, 02/20/2010 - 07:13

[quote="Heidi"][quote="slaneyrose"]Members of this forum dont take kindly to public slagging of its members... [/quote]
Irresponsible breeders don't *ever* care. Ever.
Responsible breeders *do* care. All the time. ...and still accidents happen. [i]That is why they are called accidents.[/i]

It appears SR absolutely *did* attempt to do the responsible thing upon learning of the pregnancy issue and you refused all offers.
I'll repeat: You. Refused. All. Offers. Seems to me like someone needs to accept their decision about refusing recourse, shut up and move on. Bad-mouthing someone in public, [i]someone who tried to make things right and you refused their offers[/i], is bad form.[/quote]

Hi Heidi,
You don't know me but you really should know that I am not a liar by any means ... I didnt start a public slagging match against Slaneyrose or anyone else , I was merely making a point that I didnt know who her father was so couldnt give any details on him . I never mentioned the name of the horse or its breeder.

You see working out the dates for my mare , I know that the other stallion was in the field at the time and so this is where the confusion arises but the AMHA are sorting it out for me.

I am sorry that you all are subjected to this but I honestly only wanted to know if she could produce pawprints in the past...

Also regarding my yearling being pregnant was not just one accident ... another yearling filly was pregnant a few months later in the same field ..hmmmmmmmmmm

rabbitsfizz Sat, 02/20/2010 - 11:11

It is not the pawprints that she will reproduce if she is H/Z for Tobiano, it is the Tobiano pattern.
The "pawprints" are just something that sometimes go hand in hand with Homozygosity, they do not have to, however.
I doubt very much that this filly is Silver Bay, the mane is not indicative of Silver, although, if she is a Red base, as she appears to be, there is no reason why she cannot carry Silver and not express it.
I would have her tested, if I were you.

slaneyrose Sat, 02/20/2010 - 14:14

[i]I didnt start a public slagging match against Slaneyrose or anyone else , I was merely making a point that I didnt know who her father was so couldnt give any details on him . I never mentioned the name of the horse or its breeder[/i]

You may not have named me but everyone from Ireland on this board knows EXACTLY who you are referring too as you have made a big fuss about this on TWO other forums, plus anyone can find your website and figure it out, sure your name is your id and there is a picture of Polly on here!!

[i]I know that the other stallion was in the field at the time[/i] Do you know anything about stallions? :rofl no way could you keep 2 stallions in the same field during breeding season, especially not Taiga and Sundance as they hate each other so thats a lie.

[i]honestly only wanted to know if she could produce pawprints in the past... [/i]

In the past??????? huh?
[i][quote="slaneyrose"][i]Yes she did get pregnant as a yearling as I had electic fencing up at time since I had not had my permanant fencing erected. -- Kim you admitted to me that she thought she was not in season and you put her back in with your stallion ..I did not name you nor the mare's name . I was merely making a comment that I didn't know who her father was[/i] .
I used to bring all the girls home from the field when they were in season then put them out with the herd days after their season had stopped yes, but I had electric fencing up till they al broke thru it (all five strands of it!) but to my knowledge none of the mares/fillies were season. And no you werent just "making a comment that you didnt know who her father was" you were trying to say I put every stallion/colt in the place in with her. You were being nasty, as you have been over the past 2 yrs on and off, as publically as possible, and recently threatened me with posting publically what a "bad breeder I am"... I have copies of that as well as of the emails etc I sent with my offers as stated re: having the foal back and foaling the mare out so you didnt have to worry, but you refused... so this IS in fact libel as I can prove what you are saying is untrue.

Heidi Sat, 02/20/2010 - 16:07

[quote="Casilda"] ... [u]I didnt start a public slagging match[/u] ...[/quote]
Um :? but you *[i]did[/i]* start a slagging match; with snark, name-calling, derision/scorn and complete with eye-rolling smilies.
See:
[quote="Casilda"] ...unfortunately we do not know who her father is as [u]it could be a number of stallions[/u] as the [u]irresponsible breeder[/u] that we bought her from [u]let [her] ... run with colts and stallions[/u] as a yearling. :roll: [u]How silly[/u] .. [/quote]
None of *that* was necessary to ask a simple color-question.
Here, I'll show you how it could have been done: [i]"Hi, what color do you think my filly is? Her dam is a silver dapple Tobi and I have no concrete information regarding the sire. DNA testing is being waited on for verification."[/i]
See? Its easy enough to do w/out slinging mud around.

I understand you've got an agenda and feel you've been wronged, but I feel this particular discussion regarding parentage needs to be taken off-line and/or to the lawyers. Hashing and re-hashing it out in a public forum isn't necessary.

lipigirl Sun, 02/21/2010 - 17:27

Ladies please take this discussion to your private messages if you wish to continue it, we do not tollerate this type of personal attack on our forum.

Thank you.