What colour? Silver?

[quote="Morgan"]Just to be wierd: extremely sooty flaxen chestnut :lol:

honestly I have no idea.[/quote]

Let me add to that! ;) How about extremely sooty palomino? (we'd have to make mom a smoky black for that)
:lol:

[quote="vneerland"]Welcome Mistonia! 8-)

[quote="mistonia"]hes had three aborted foals to 2 different coloured mares, one piebald had a plain coloured mare. Then my skewbald half bred arab mare(same dam as his other two foals, but by different chestnut stallion) was carrying twins of which one was a coloured filly and one a plain colt and both had started to get hair and it was a very dilute bay showing round both there eyes. sorry for the confusion lol. Hes got one bay tb mare to cover next year, and im gonna try and find him a black mare at least as well lol.[/quote]

Oh.. I think you lost me. :oops: Did your stud father several foals that were aborted? :o Am I reading that right?[/quote]

it was not his fault though one mare (my mare ) aborted twins, one of them got entangled in the embolical cord and died in womb at 7 1/2 months (was scanned but missed one) and the other was an older mare that had failed to take year before to different stallion, and she aborted but they found a mammory gland tumour after she aborted which they think was the cause hormone embalance. and that was the colour of them they had started developing hair and on the filly could see the markings on her skin.

If that really is the sire...if the dam really is Black and White then the foal is not Silver.
As I said, Arabs do not have Silver.
No Silver in Arabs....maybe in the States where pigs fly on a regular basis, but not here in sunny England where our pigs are firmly on the ground!!! ;)

Mutations can and do happen. Mistakes can and do happen.

Yes, I know....but not Silver in Arabs, sorry.

yeah but how can you be 100% certain silver is NOT in arabs!! I read an aritcle a while ago saying that they suspected several eqyptian strains had silver in there bloodlines. What colour would you say the foal was knowing the sire is arab, and would you say the same if you did not know that the sire was an arab!

Just because some people don't WANT it there, doesn't mean it ISN'T there. :lol:

People used to say there wasn't silver in Warmbloods too.

:GTM

the yearlings not mine, so im gonna get the stallion tested for silver anyway just for curiosity lol.

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]but not here in sunny England where our pigs are firmly on the ground!!! ;)[/quote]

Now hang on a sec, I've seen programmes with those police copters flying! :laugh1 :laugh1

Diane

[quote="accphotography"]Just because some people don't WANT it there, doesn't mean it ISN'T there. :lol: [/quote]
Nor that it won't mutate their either! Though of course sticking your head in the ground and ignoring it is the best way to go!

[quote="NZ Appaloosas"][quote="rabbitsfizz"]but not here in sunny England where our pigs are firmly on the ground!!! ;)[/quote]

Now hang on a sec, I've seen programmes with those police copters flying! :laugh1 :laugh1

Diane[/quote]

:laugh1 Oh Hogwash... we all know pigs and frogs can fly :bounce and Arabs come in purple with pink pokadots :ymdaydream: ... RF & Diane, you guys slay me.

Well, as I said, not in England, just as you will not get a TB in England (not imported, that is, there is one in Scotland now) that is Frame or Cream.
Arabs do not have Silver, how do I know??
Because it is the oldest domestic breed of horse and there has never been a Silver animal born.
Could there be?
Sure, in exactly the same way you got Cream and Frame in TBs...it was not "lurking" as Cream lurked, totally known about, in Andalusians and Lusitanos, it was PUT there, simple as.
So long as the animal can run very fast and win races, it does not really matter, but as soon as people start breeding TBs for something other than racing, it does matter, and it matters a lot, in the same way as pedigree matters in show Greyhounds.
So no, there is no Silver in purebred Arabs, there is no Dun (and that actually is far more likely!!) in purebred Welsh etc, etc.
Right, done here!!

what would you say if a pure bred arab did test positive to silver? Would it suddenly not be full arab even though its got generations of dna tested postive, There are a load of chestnut arabs in the breed but very little black in comparison, so could be hidden somewhere in gene pool and just waiting to be discovered. Thats my opinion any ways.

"Generations" only go back as far as we have been DNA'ing horses which hasnt been that long.

And there are not that many Red based against Black based, I would say it is about even, myself, does not have to be actually Black, remember, just Black based.

well i seen the filly tonight and shes gone really really dark looks chocholate, will see her in a couple of weeks so will take some pics then to let you see.