What colour? Silver?

I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest Rabicano for the tail !

Nice to see you Holley BTW !

I've seen this before - oddly enough, on another young pony in Britain just recently - and I don't automatically think silver in most cases, though it could be on the odd one. I think it's just an oddball expression of sabino.

I say black silver.

I laughed at the comment on the other forum that it doesn't matter what color the parents are!

The body color makes me think silver along with the tail. I remember a bay silver on the old forums that was a race horse that was a classic bay with a tail that faded white and his mane was not light.

It's the legs that clinch silver for me.

CMHorses: That racehorse was not a bay silver. There is no silver in Thoroughbreds. His tail is called "gulastra plume" or "gray tail" (having nothing to do with gray).

Scratch that. It's EXTREMELY unlikely she is silver. I would even say she "can't" be silver. I just saw a photo of the dam and her tail is BLACK BLACK. (I had originally thought tobiano might be hiding the silver.)

Unless this is the same Arabian stallion I had SERIOUS questions about a year ago. In which case he should be tested. I do think it's him. I wonder if this is one of the foals that had me suspicious. I may have to try to find that old thread.

Refresh my memory... have any purebred Arabians tested positive for silver yet?

Yup. Not only the same stallion, but the same foal. I knew this was all feeling way too familiar.

Here are some younger photos:

[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

Dam:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

And interestingly enough, the OP foal, as a foal (looking every bit bay):
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

Two other foals by the same stallion and a different mare (they are full siblings though):

[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/…]

Interesting how red the pasterns are on the second one ^.

This foal is so strange. I'd love to see her tested.

No. However, I don't know how many LOOK silver but have never been tested because it is assumed they are not.

That foal sure looks silver. The older one, I mean, with the white tail.

Are you saying that the newborn bay one is the same foal??

Just to be wierd: extremely sooty flaxen chestnut :lol:

honestly I have no idea.

edit: just saw the new pics...really wierd.
Am I seeing the last two horses correctly as a wild bay and a dark legged chestnut(or is it a bay? I see ear tips but the leg above hoof is red :? )?

gosh he looks like a bay foal :S

[quote="Sara"]That foal sure looks silver. The older one, I mean, with the white tail.

Are you saying that the newborn bay one is the same foal??[/quote]

I've just answered my own question over at the other forum. Weird.

The first one certainly doesn't look silver to me, especially now I know it's dam was a coloured cob!! That colour turns up all the time in the Gypsy Cobs, they do look a bit like silvers but always test just as black. At one time a couple of folks were calling it 'dilute black' seeing as they saw the notes on the new dilutions site about dilute black, others just call it a weird sabino effect. It's kind of like an extra 'faded' black! So I've no idea what causes it really!!
Cheers

Danni

If she is silver... I'm not at all convinced it came from the dam. ;) :mrgreen:

Yes, that bay (looking at least, she certainly doesn't look bay now) foal is her.

Yes I think the first sibling is a very odd wild bay. The other is definitely bay, but she [i]definitely[/i] has reddish pasterns. :?

I was reading that other site and had to stop and close my mouth - I guess I was just lucky to stumble on the orignal EC site first as my mind would have been so confused by sites like that one..

Someone actually believes that all greys carry the red gene because 2 greys (both born black) had a red foal? At least they got that 2 bays can have a red; oh and lets not forget that the chestnut sire can't carry agouti because he is too bright a red ...it is enough to make you :BH :BH :BH .

Oh that's only the beginning of what had me and RMT both :BH . :laugh1

Sorry have a few general questions.
Silver horses can have self colored manes and tails right?
Also about those bays, is it possible they are young and their points have not filled out yet?

IME it is very RARE for silver to have self colored manes and tails. However, one of the members of this board has a tested silver pony who looks for all the world like a black and nothing more.

Yes it is possible for the one presumed wild bay to not be filled in yet (I'm pretty sure she was young in that photo). For some reason I have a hunch she will stay wild bay though (her body tone is a clue).

How about Smokey Black for the OP, if Silver it's not?

I guess it's possible. I've seen smokey do some odd things. Hmmm.

How common is cream in cobs?

Dunno about common, but cream is around.

This is one of the funny coloured black cobs, heaps more but his pics were on hand. No cream or silver in him. Can't compare the legs though with his white socks. He's Ee aa.

As a youngster
[img]http://www.djwwgypsyhorses.com/Whisper_…]

As a 2yo
[img]http://www.djwwgypsyhorses.com/5-17-07_…]

Wow 3 pages - cheers guys! I am gonna PM the OP a link to this thread ok? Perhaps she will sign up and join the discussion

Oh yes! We LOVE a good mystery around here! It's really not very often we get them. :lol:

That cob is VERRRRY strange Danni. How very interesting.

hi all im the owner of the stallion that sired the foal. I will get some more upto date pics of the other two, in the pics the bright bay was a twp year old and the darl bay a yearling. niether of them still have true black legs, the darkbays lage has very similar leg colourings as the yearling., gold tint I suspected that the stallion was carrying a dilution gene of some sort after his first two then the yearling appeared the colour she did. I am going to test the stallion for silver after i come back from holiday and can afford to test him lol.
thanks for everyones input. hes only ever had three foals too.

oh and forgot to say the mare has had 9 other foals 100% black and white or chestnut and white to grey,bay,black, chestnut and coloured stallions. he was hoping he would get a coloured half bred foal, but it never happened. hes had three aborted foals to 2 different coloured mares, one piebald had a plain coloured mare. Then my skewbald half bred arab mare(same dam as his other two foals, but by different chestnut stallion) was carrying twins of which one was a coloured filly and one a plain colt and both had started to get hair and it was a very dilute bay showing round both there eyes. sorry for the confusion lol. Hes got one bay tb mare to cover next year, and im gonna try and find him a black mare at least as well lol.

Original horse is not Silver, no stripey hooves and sire, who is the only option for providing Silver is Arab...no Silver!!
That is also one heck of a hernia he has there!!

[quote="rabbitsfizz"]sire, who is the only option for providing Silver is Arab...no Silver!![/quote]
I personally don't think we can say they DONT have silver. How long did it even take us to find silver in AQHA and APHA? And we STILL Don't know where it came from. And how many VERY minimal silvers have we seen that we just be brushed off as sun fading or just something odd, and if found on an Arab would be brushed off even further because it "doesnt exist'?

How long did it take for us to realize champagne was different from cream? And how long did it take Pearl to pop up? And how rare are both pearl and silver in the two breeds its already common in? How odd would it be if it was rare in Arabs as well??

Oh and as far as striped hooves, straight from the silver website.
[quote]Striped hooves are a characteristic of silver but they aren't a characteristic all silvers have.[/quote]

I think striped hooves are just too diffuse a characteristic to really apply. They seem to occur on all colors, solid, broken, striped or spotted.

Welcome Mistonia! 8-)

[quote="mistonia"]hes had three aborted foals to 2 different coloured mares, one piebald had a plain coloured mare. Then my skewbald half bred arab mare(same dam as his other two foals, but by different chestnut stallion) was carrying twins of which one was a coloured filly and one a plain colt and both had started to get hair and it was a very dilute bay showing round both there eyes. sorry for the confusion lol. Hes got one bay tb mare to cover next year, and im gonna try and find him a black mare at least as well lol.[/quote]

Oh.. I think you lost me. :oops: Did your stud father several foals that were aborted? :o Am I reading that right?