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What colour is she?

Adell April 20, 2009 February 22, 2011

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I have a mare at the barn that I am not sure just what colour someone would call her. I see Frame (and yes I am pushing the owner to test) but I also think not just frame as she has the four white legs. Rabianco with the body white and tail. Plus she has something under her jaw that I would call rabianco as well? Here are the photos. **Yes we all know she needs her feet done. Owner has only had her back for a few days. [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1203.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1205.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1218.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1223.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1228.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1247.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1257.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/AdellEquine/IMG_1260.jpg[/img] I think I covered all her white markings, I don't remember seeing white on her belly, but she could. Thanks everyone

Sara Mon, 04/20/2009 - 14:08

What is her breed? Nice photos!

I see sabino for sure, rabicano, and splash. Frame could be a possibility depending on her breed.

I'd blame sabino for the under the jaw stuff. Rabicano tends to like to hit the topline first and sprinkle down from there. Sabino goes more from the ground up. Then again, we have speculated that rabicano is just one of the sabinos so who knows! *shrug*

Cory and Peanut are sabino, rabicano and splash and are marked similarly to this mare, by the way.

Adell Mon, 04/20/2009 - 14:15

Thanks.

I asked the owner and she said "I have no idea." She got her from a farm that had appy's, ponies, paints and nothing in the way of a planned breeding. So she could be anything really.

Adell Mon, 04/20/2009 - 18:01

[quote="accphotography"]Bay or wild bay with rabicano and splash. Sabino is always possible. I don't see frame.[/quote]

I thought that because she has a mustache it would point to frame. But I am guessing its not a given?

Heidi - Thanks, I think that photo suits her well. :ymblushing:

TwinCreeksFarm Mon, 04/20/2009 - 18:06

Not always a given! Tested negative for frame:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]

And she is a nice horse! Bay/Wild Bay with Rabicano, sabino, and splash. Her leg markings remind me of those most seen on the TWH. You know how they creep up the back? I would hazard a guess at Arab x something, lol. The 3rd photo reminds me of Arab x Welsh.

accphotography Mon, 04/20/2009 - 18:18

The frontal moustaches are more indicative of splash than frame. I've also seen side moustaches on non frames quite a bit too. In fact, I'm not even convinced frame does any type of moustache any more. I think most are due to splash.

Adell Mon, 04/20/2009 - 18:41

[quote="TwinCreeksFarm"]Not always a given! Tested negative for frame:
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/…]

And she is a nice horse! Bay/Wild Bay with Rabicano, sabino, and splash. Her leg markings remind me of those most seen on the TWH. You know how they creep up the back? I would hazard a guess at Arab x something, lol. The 3rd photo reminds me of Arab x Welsh.[/quote]

Thanks for posting those! A clear frame looking non-frame. Horse colours are as clear as mud :D

RiddleMeThis Mon, 04/20/2009 - 23:58

I agree, that horse is DEFINITELY tobiano. As for the tail Im not sure. If it was tobiano causing it, I would expect it to go all the way through, but if it was rabicano I would expect it to be a little "roanier" but it does look something like this [img]http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/im…] so who knows lol.

accphotography Tue, 04/21/2009 - 00:41

Definitely tobiano. I'm about 80% sure the tail white is caused by the tobiano. However I can not make sense of th ebreak in the marking *at all*. It's just tooooo weird.

rabbitsfizz Tue, 04/21/2009 - 04:19

First horse is Sabino....may or may not have a bit of Splash in there, who knows???
I actually think she is quite thin, but I was constantly being nagged by the kids about the weight I wanted on my (ex) broodmares that they had hijacked to ride....I was used to seeing them much fatter, and also, of course, in show condition as opposed to riding fit....one of the reasons I cannot stand and will not tolerate the way some people keep Minis!!!
The second animal I would guess at minimal Frame, but it is only a guess as in both cases, obviously......
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Sara Tue, 04/21/2009 - 08:47

Rabbit, how do some people keep minis?

One thing I've learned about weight is that an animal can be kept at a range within the weight spectrum, very dependent on discipline, and still be healthy. Eventers tend to be kept thinner than dressage horses who are thinner than hunters... but they probably range from 4 to 6 on the condition scale so they're all perfectly normal and healthy. You can get into some pretty heated discussions about what's the right weight (within that healthy normal range) but in the end I don't think it really matters. I do think that some "show" and halter horses are kept unhealthily fat.

Adell Tue, 04/21/2009 - 09:05

I agree with Sara that there is a range of fit dependent on discipline. But I would like to see this mare toned up, shinny and in a full summer coat. Because as soon as she is in summer coat it would mean its SUMMER :bounce I am sick of rain and mud!

Sara Tue, 04/21/2009 - 09:20

Me toooooo! Except that we have just had a few warm days and now there are already FLIES! It would be nice to have a little break in between mud season and fly season! :shock:

Adell Tue, 04/21/2009 - 09:30

Mom has been working us to death on the nice days (and even on the not so nice days). She keeps saying "We have to get it done before black flies are out."

I think she just wants everything done so she can relax and enjoy her foals when they come :rofl

Paintlover Tue, 04/21/2009 - 09:59

I agree with ACC on the tail as well. Although not 100% sure it is caused by Tobi I have seen tails like that on many Tobiano horses before and it isn't "roany" like you would expect to see on a rabicano,( as RMT pointed out).

Monsterpony Tue, 04/21/2009 - 13:39

I am very much a proponent of keeping horses thinner rather than heavier. I have just found too much evidence that unless the horse is a pregnant or lactating mare, body condition scores of 4-5 have less health problems. Now I mean that as a good, well-developed musculature with minimal fat layer like a sleek, fit runner, definitely not a skin and bones type. Obesity is the leading health problem in horses today.

NZ Appaloosas Tue, 04/21/2009 - 20:19

[quote="Monsterpony"]I am very much a proponent of keeping horses thinner rather than heavier. I have just found too much evidence that unless the horse is a pregnant or lactating mare, body condition scores of 4-5 have less health problems. Now I mean that as a good, well-developed musculature with minimal fat layer like a sleek, fit runner, definitely not a skin and bones type. Obesity is the leading health problem in horses today.[/quote]

By the scale used here by MAF, a body score of 5 would be [i]obese[/i]...Would be nice if this sort of thing could be internationally standardised...

Diane

Monsterpony Tue, 04/21/2009 - 20:21

Most animal systems have either a 5 point or a 9 point scale. Dogs, cats and most livestock are set to the 5 point scale (though occasionally you see 9 point in reference to cattle). Horses are most often measured on a 9 point scale, but 5 point is still used often enough that I should have clarified.

rabbitsfizz Wed, 04/22/2009 - 08:14

The biggest problem I see in Minis is people getting paranoid over them carrying a bit of extra weight.....and the problem behind that is, without a doubt, the fact that in a lot of cases when you let them get to what I would consider to be a normal weight, ie let down, not obese but not too slim either, they look like what they are, fat little ponies!!!
My biggest bugbear is that, when I had Arabs, and I am afraid mine were always plump, they looked like plump Arabs, I did not have to starve them in order to make them look like Arabs.
I have just spent the last thirty years breeding Minis that look like Minis whatever condition they are in, if they are obese, and I have one mare that gets that way looking at good grass sideways, she looks like an obese Mini, not a Shetland Pony, and she is the heaviest boned animal I have, too, and really quite plain headed, her sire was, in fact, a Shetland Pony!!!
So people new to Minis are getting all sort of conflicting advice from the people they buy from, most of whom are terrified that, should the clipped out, too early weaned foal they have just sold for roughly three times what it is worth be put out on good grass it will grow into the fat little pony that it really is!!
I am seeing it too much over here, and I have to say it started in the States!!
Who on earth would actually believe that a horse, irrespective of it's size, cannot be fed hay and cannot be turned out on grass?????
But if you know nothing of horses, and a lot of new Mini owners don't, you believe what you are told.
85% of it is hype crossed with smoke and mirrors....why take the long way round when you can take a short cut, make the whole thing mysterious and get more money a lot faster???
And I am sick of it, and I am sick of explaining as gently as I can that the poor, wormy, sickle hocked creature I am proudly told is a Miniature Horse is, in fact, a pure bred Shetland Pony that I could have bought in Reading Market for £50.00!!

Now, what was the question again????? :laugh1

Sara Wed, 04/22/2009 - 09:55

I thought that's what you might say. Are they kept that way (not by the newbies but by the people who should know better) because they really think they'll get sick with more weight, or is it all part of the quest to have them look like little horses?

MP, where does unhealthy weight begin on the scale? I think I like my horses around a 5 and my ponies about at a 6 for cuteness. :D I think they can still perform well at a 6, right?

Monsterpony Wed, 04/22/2009 - 14:00

I wouldn't call them "unhealthy" until 7 (8 for preg/lactating), but your comment about 6 being cute tends to be one of the top reasons why people keep there horses a bit overweight. It is not that a 6 is unhealthy so much that a 5 is healthier...does that make sense?

Sara Wed, 04/22/2009 - 14:26

It does make sense... but I still like the way a pony looks at a six. Hmm. Not sure what to do about that. :P

Sara Wed, 04/22/2009 - 15:57

Next time you visit I'll have you score Owen and Rocky for me. They're the ones who tend to "blossom". :D I keep Cory a little leaner.